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**Official** 1st Test @ Perth, 22nd-26th November

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Qlder

International Debutant
ankitj said:
Is this really true?
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Smith has the one test in Sydney vs Bumrah where he was run out for 131 and Ashwin got him for 81 2nd innings.

He only had 2 other tests with Bumrah outside Sydney so 4 innings, 1 not out, 10 runs @ 3.33 with 2 wkts from Ashwin and 1 wkt from Bumrah.

So until today Bumrah had only got Smith once in 6 innings, not a big deal (Ashwin has him 3 times from same 6 innings)
 
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govinda indian fan

First Class Debutant
Qlder said:
Smith has the one test in Sydney vs Bumrah where he was run out for 131 and Ashwin got him for 81 2nd innings.

He now has 3 other tests with Bumrah outside Sydney so 5 innings, 1 not out, 10 runs @ 2.50 with 2 wkts from Ashwin and 2 wkts from Bumrah.

So Bumrah has got Smith twice in 7 innings, not a big deal (Ashwin has him 3 times from 6 innings in same tests)
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We should rotate spinners. Want ashwin to play in gabba mcg and scg. Hope he once again has smith number😉
 
Shri

Shri

Mr. Glass
If aus fans were like barmy army they'd have written a song for Kohli not being able to play spin or pace

But them not being like barmy army is a good thing so idk
 
Victor Ian

Victor Ian

International Coach
I hate this team! How have they gotten rolled like this. ****ing fuming! Bring back AB to go off at these overhyped **** *****. Richie had more skill in his left little toe. **** them all. ****ing stupid ****wit **** *****!
 
Burner

Burner

International Regular
I think Aus will still win this series. Both teams' batting is shot but India's doubly so without someone like Pujara to occupy the crease. I remember in their last two series here, it wasn't just Pujara that had the mindset of just playing for time. Feels like there is a change in mindset now.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Burner said:
I think Aus will still win this series. Both teams' batting is shot but India's doubly so without someone like Pujara to occupy the crease. I remember in their last two series here, it wasn't just Pujara that had the mindset of just playing for time. Feels like there is a change in mindset now.
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Too much intent too little resilience. It's Rohit's fault.
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
That's an incredible scoreline. I went to bed when India were seven down and, regardless of form, the script is usually that Australia are 100/0-150/1 at close of play in these circumstances at home. It usually involves Dave Warner jumping and punching the air either late in the day or the following morning. too.

Bumrah incredible. I thought he was over-criticised in the NZ series as he bowled unplayable spells in the first test, yielded many many plays and misses, but didn't get a bag (3/70 still not bad). The other test that he played was a spinner's wicket. Absolute fire on a pitch like this Perth one with pace, seam and a little swing, and this harder Kookaburra ball. Looks like Siraj bowled better than other recent matches as well.

Still kinda expecting conditions to level out and a team make 300+ second innings, but we'll see.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
straw man said:
That's an incredible scoreline. I went to bed when India were seven down and, regardless of form, the script is usually that Australia are 100/0-150/1 at close of play in these circumstances at home. It usually involves Dave Warner jumping and punching the air either late in the day or the following morning. too.

Bumrah incredible. I thought he was over-criticised in the NZ series as he bowled unplayable spells in the first test, yielded many many plays and misses, but didn't get a bag (3/70 still not bad). The other test that he played was a spinner's wicket. Absolute fire on a pitch like this Perth one with pace, seam and a little swing, and this harder Kookaburra ball. Looks like Siraj bowled better than other recent matches as well.

Still kinda expecting conditions to level out and a team make 300+ second innings, but we'll see.
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Surely no one was sincerely criticising Bumrah's performances in those games? Just pointing out the bizarre statistical anomaly that is his record vs NZ. I thought he looked absolutely terrifying in that first game in particular, and could easily done to NZ's top order what he did yesterday evening to Aus's had it not been for Conway sticking it out and somehow not nicking like a dozen different balls.
 
Starfighter

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Spark said:
I understand the merits of the open stance defensive technique but it really does leave you so vulnerable in conditions like these as you get squared up and stuck on the crease.
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What are the merits? They certainly weren't on display yesterday. Not only did it help them miss or nick the ball, but if anything it made it harder for them to drop the ball to get much needed singles. The strike rotation was poor.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Starfighter said:
What are the merits? They certainly weren't on display yesterday. Not only did it help them miss or nick the ball, but if anything it made it harder for them to drop the ball to get much needed singles. The strike rotation was poor.
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The theory, at least as I've seen it expressed by current day batting coaches, is that it helps you line up your off stump better and it allows you to access the straight ball more efficiently, which in principle turns good balls on the stumps into scoring options all over the legside. It also makes you lethal against anything short as you're already in a natural position to pull or cut. The downsides are... well, we saw them.

My understanding is that it's much much more common these days than it used to be, in no small part because of the success of the guy batting #4 in this game. Though I remember Clarke transitioning more to an open stance in the second half of his career as well.
 
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