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Combining ODI and Test records, who are the 5 greatest cricketers ever?

kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Let's agree to disagree then. Chappell is the one I am most sure of, I would probably rate them around equal in Tests as well; Chappell just slightly ahead. Greg was pretty great in ODIs, but not really close. Marshall is the one with the best argument honestly. Warne, I think Kapil did better included both formats. That longevity is special though. Kapil wasn't Great overall away, but is near ATG in WI and Australia with the ball and had his fair share of impact knocks to justify his average not being inflated.
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So just to be clear, you think Kapil was even close to Chappell in tests?

Can't grasp that but ok.

For Warne, even including both formats, how is Kapil ahead?

None of it makes sense but explains so very much
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
I don't think the gap between Kapil and Greg in Tests is necessarily a huge one. The others I can understand, but given both formats have around equal weighing, will go Kapil just over both. Also deserves some points for pioneering the role of a late order basher in ODIs imo.
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How is the gap between Chappell and Dev not a huge one?

A legitimate top 15, ATG batsman and a brilliant AT slip.

The size of the gap between them is quite considerable.

Dev was a good test bowler and an above average lower order bat. Just because you combine them, it doesn't bring you close to an ATG bat.
 
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Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
kyear2 said:
How is the gap between Chappell and Dev not a huge one?

Dev was a good test bowler and an above average lower order bat. Just because you combine them, it doesn't bring you close to an ATG bat.
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Why not?

Kapil was not just good.. He was very good bowler.. Equivalent of 45 avg batsman of his generation ( Greenidge or Abbas equivalent )

Adding his 30-35 avg batting makes him much much more valuable than a Greenidge or Gillespie. It can be argued he was as good as a 65 avg batsman. Just because you undervalue allrounders Doesn't mean they are less than specialists.. They are not.
Chappell is top 15 batsman in last 100 years
Kapil is top 7 AR in last 100 years.
But there are many other batsmen who can almost match Chappell's output in terms of batting performance. Kohli for example.
But it will be very tough to find a very good pacer averaging even 25 with bat.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
How is the gap between Chappell and Dev not a huge one?

A legitimate top 15, ATG batsman and a brilliant AT slip.

The size of the gap between them is quite considerable.

Dev was a good test bowler and an above average lower order bat. Just because you combine them, it doesn't bring you close to an ATG bat.
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Do you think Botham and Chappell are close?? Most do. If thinking so is alright, don't think it should be controversial with Dev giving he was slightly ahead of Ian in the primary and not that behind in the secondary.
 
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