subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
That was a great series for Tendulkar. But yeah the SR was a factor in Viv domination.
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Jack Hobbs vs Sachin Tendulkar
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Only by SR, Viv was hardly better than Sunny.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
Yeah, peak for peak I think Bradman/Viv/Smith are the GOATs (obviously, Bradman is eons ahead of the other two, it's just a ranking)
Slifer
International Captain
Sachin is 2nd best batsman of all time, all things considered. What's but let's stop all the hyperbole, it's not an open and shut case. The other contenders run him close. Sachin has longevity and consistency across teams others have utter domination vs great bowlers (particularly fast) and attacks.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
So was Chappell.
Viv had a better peak. Greg was way more consistent and has an almost perfect all round record. It again comes down to peak vs consistency
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Except for Bradman, pretty much everything else is debatable and it basically comes down to an opinion.
Sachin vs Hobbs vs Smith
Sobers vs Kallis
Marshall vs Hadlee
Warne vs Muralitharan
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Nah. Chappell's away record is very sus.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
No debate here
Migara
International Coach
Environmental conditions. Playing in subcontinent and west indies in the drenching heat is not every ones kettle of fish, if the fitness is not up to the mark.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
40 in England(15 Tests)
49 in WestIndies(5 Tests)
66 in Srilanka(1 Test)
71 in NewZealand(8 Tests)
76 in Pakistan(3 Tests)
I agree he did not play much outside England. Lillee and Chappell avoided travelling outside. From what I heard it was due to them not able to like the hotel
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
I do not agree but okay
BazBall21
International Captain
The fact he never toured India is the only major caveat.
Not having a record in the subcontinent is nevertheless a problem but I think Lillee never featuring there in India is a more overegged issue than Chappell because pretty much all top fast bowlers back then did well in India. It's been a bigger challenge in the 21st century and that gets projected onto Lillee never playing there. Hence a bigger deal of it gets made now than at the time. Chappell would have got the opportunity to face some very good spinners on turning wickets.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Nah. Sunny struggled against Lillee. Wasn't as awesome as advertised against the great WI pacers in WI.
And SR is one thing. Viv rapidly changed momentum and demoralised bowlers.
Good point. India was a happy hunting ground for visiting fast bowlers for a long time. The following all took 30 or more wickets in India at an average of 25 or less during the 20th century: Davidson, Hall, McKenzie, Hadlee, Willis, John Lever, Botham, Roberts, Marshall, Holding, Walsh. Five of them averaged under 20.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Sunny struggled against Lillee..... In 2 matches. He faced him thrice, and scored 70 in the 3rd in a successful 4th innings chase and was given a horrible out. Re WI, toured against them in 76 and had a really Great series against a fiery Holding and Roberts. Did great in the '83 series as well. Really his struggles against pace are exaggerated.
Don't think SR is that important here really.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't think Sunny struggled against pace collectively. Just that Viv is stronger overall.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I have a bigger issue with him in Pakistan than India honestly. Pakistan was by far the biggest challenge for touring pacers back then. The India would also had been harder late career given they had a really strong batting attack, World's 2nd best for a period.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean, definitely. He is the best player of pace ever. But Sunny is stronger to spin.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Adding to all the Tendulkar appreciation, I would say I appreciate Tendulkar's batting purity so much more these days than when he was playing. When he was active watching him bat was a weekly affair and in a way we got used to it. Now after enduring India's trash batting these days (not least all the troubles that Kohli is going through) you suddenly appreciate the precision in Tendulkar's footwork, trigger movements, head balance, shot selection etc. so much more. What a batsman he was!
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Let's go by country to country:
WI: toured before the paceappocalypse, against a quite weak line-up. Though had Great tour there in the WSC, so the least issue; but the numbers are still inflated.
SL: Minnow team back then.
NZ: Toured there pre Hadlee. Played some mid attacks.
Pak: Basically scored a not out double ton in a flat as pan cake deck in a match Imran missed.
Eng: English record is Really good, but not great by ATG standards.