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Frank Woolley vs Ben Stokes

Woolley vs Stokes

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trundler

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Coronis said:
Anyone who can bowl half decently outside their own backyard should be ranked higher than Abdul Qadir.
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Qadir could at least bowl decently to test standard batsmen in his own home as opposed to feasting exclusively on weaker FC sides so he's several levels above Freeman.
 
sayon basak

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trundler said:
Qadir could at least bowl decently to test standard batsmen in his own home as opposed to feasting exclusively on weaker FC sides so he's several levels above Freeman.
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Freeman bowled decently in the 12 tests he played. And you can't complain about his performance in Australia while comparing him to Abdul Qadir.

If what Freeman did in FC was really that easy, you'd expect everyone in his time to achieve that kind of feat.
 
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sayon basak said:
Freeman bowled decently in the 12 tests he played. And you can't complain about his performance in Australia while comparing him to Abdul Qadir.

If what Freeman did in FC was really that easy, you'd expect everyone in his time to achieve that kind of feat.
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He was picked almost exclusively against minnows because he wasn't deemed good enough to play in the Ashes. He got some pity tests when England rolled out second string sides to play the newer nations, like Tabish Khan's test against Zimbabwe. Freeman's record against the few strong FC sides of his time is much worse than his overall FC record too. The bloke wasn't even an England regular and for good reason. Mark Ramprakash has an excellent FC record too but he's obviously a nobody in cricket history. A minnow basher in black and white is still a minnow basher.
 
sayon basak

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trundler said:
He was picked almost exclusively against minnows because he wasn't deemed good enough to play in the Ashes. He got some pity tests when England rolled out second string sides to play the newer nations, like Tabish Khan's test against Zimbabwe. Freeman's record against the few strong FC sides of his time is much worse than his overall FC record too. The bloke wasn't even an England regular and for good reason. Mark Ramprakash has an excellent FC record too but he's obviously a nobody in cricket history. A minnow basher in black and white is still a minnow basher.
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True, but at least he could bash something.
 
Coronis

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sayon basak said:
These are his pre war numbers. Took 39 wickets in 22 matches @23.67.
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All 3 of his pre war 5’fers were at the Oval in the Triangular series.

Other notable English bowlers pre-war after Woolley’s debut

Barnes 16 matches 126 @ 14.57
Foster 11 matches 45 @ 20.57
Douglas 11 matches 26 @ 23.66
Simpson-Hayward 5 matches 23 @ 18.26
Thompson 5 matches 23 @ 26.91


Blythe 2 matches 12 wickets @ 14.00
Dean 3 matches 11 wickets @ 13.90

Foster had definitely cemented his place as Barnes’ #2 imo. Blythe was coming towards the end of his successful career (100 @ 18.63). Thompson and Simpson-Hayward took all their wickets on the 1910 tour of SA. Notably Simpson-Hayward was one of the last underarm bowlers. Dean only played in the Triangular tournament, but had good performances against both Australia and South Africa.
 
capt_Luffy

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Coronis said:
All 3 of his pre war 5’fers were at the Oval in the Triangular series.

Other notable English bowlers pre-war after Woolley’s debut

Barnes 16 matches 126 @ 14.57
Foster 11 matches 45 @ 20.57
Douglas 11 matches 26 @ 23.66
Simpson-Hayward 5 matches 23 @ 18.26
Thompson 5 matches 23 @ 26.91


Blythe 2 matches 12 wickets @ 14.00
Dean 3 matches 11 wickets @ 13.90

Foster had definitely cemented his place as Barnes’ #2 imo. Blythe was coming towards the end of his successful career (100 @ 18.63). Thompson and Simpson-Hayward took all their wickets on the 1910 tour of SA. Notably Simpson-Hayward was one of the last underarm bowlers. Dean only played in the Triangular tournament, but had good performances against both Australia and South Africa.
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I wasn't arguing that Woolley was better than Foster, just that in matches involving Barnes he had the 2nd best average (and looked past his WPM.....)
 
Coronis

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capt_Luffy said:
Can't find th stat right now, but I am confident that in the matches Barnes played in Woolley had the next best average (around 19). Though his WPM is Very lackluster.
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29 wickets at 19.93 in 16 matches with Barnes, compared with Foster’s 45 @ 20.57.

As you say though, he was more of a part timer. More than half those wickets (16 in total) came in those two consecutive matches at the Oval.
 
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