Better opener : Gavaskar vs Cook

[shortpitched713]

He was a gun like that.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Gavaskar is only behind Hutton and Hobbs as an opener and closer to them than Cook(although Hutton and Hobbs are noticeably better than Sunny).

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gavaskar is only behind Hutton and Hobbs as an opener and closer to them than Cook(although Hutton and Hobbs are noticeably better than Sunny).

I don't think Hutton is "noticeably" better than Sunny. In fact, I would rank Sunny higher.

 

[Johan]

Really?

 

[BazBall21]

Hutton v Gavaskar is an awkward comparison but I think Hutton did better at scoring tough runs.

Gavaskar was amazing v spin but wasn't that great outside Asia.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Really?

I can't really see it being a controversial take.

 

[Johan]

I can't really see it being a controversial take.

my reaction is to the thread itself bruh

 

[sayon basak]

my reaction is to the thread itself bruh

I can't really see it being a controversial thread.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hutton v Gavaskar is an awkward comparison but I think Hutton did better at scoring tough runs.

Gavaskar was amazing v spin but wasn't that great outside Asia.

Hmmm...... Can almost say that. Was mostly great in Australia but played mostly against weakish attacks, had 2 great WI tours but the first was against a bad bowling attack, had a great and a poor NZ tour and his English record is good but nothing much (though have an ATG series there). Sir Lenny's downsides for me are that he mostly struggled to accelerate ever (mind you, Gavaskar was himself defensive but could accelerate at times) and more importantly, Australia was the only other team with a really World Class attack. WI and SA were good, but not that good. It's extremely close either way though.

 

[Johan]

won't say the 75-76 series in NZ is great for Gavaskar tbh, mostly a great match when Hadlee didn't play, when he played he got him 2 out of 3 times.

 

[capt_Luffy]

won't say the 75-76 series in NZ is great for Gavaskar tbh, mostly a great match when Hadlee didn't play, when he played he got him 2 out of 3 times.

Got 70 odd in the 2nd match in which Hadlee played as well. Was retired hurt in the 3rd after for the second innings.

 

[BazBall21]

Hmmm...... Can almost say that. Was mostly great in Australia but played mostly against weakish attacks, had 2 great WI tours but the first was against a bad bowling attack, had a great and a poor NZ tour and his English record is good but nothing much (though have an ATG series there). Sir Lenny's downsides for me are that he mostly struggled to accelerate ever (mind you, Gavaskar was himself defensive but could accelerate at times) and more importantly, Australia was the only other team with a really World Class attack. WI and SA were good, but not that good. It's extremely close either way though.

Gavaskar didn't do much when he faced a proper Australian attack abroad or on the toughest tour of WI&NZ respectively. He was patchy in England too.

Definitely good outside Asia, but a tad overestimated for me. I don't really enjoy comparing players from such different eras but Hutton is definitely ahead of Gavaskar in my opinion.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gavaskar didn't do much when he faced a proper Australian attack abroad or on the toughest tour of WI&NZ respectively. He was patchy in England too.

Definitely good outside Asia, but a tad overestimated for me. I don't really enjoy comparing players from such different eras but Hutton is definitely ahead of Gavaskar in my opinion.

I would consider his '78 Australian tour tougher than his failed '85. The former had wilder pitches. Did great in a WI tour with Holding and Roberts as well. And played Hadlee in his first series in NZ as well. Averages north of 40 in England and had his moments even outside his ATG tour. I would take Sunny ahead of Hutton just, probably.

 

[Prince EWS]

Wtf

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I don't think Hutton is "noticeably" better than Sunny. In fact, I would rank Sunny higher.

Hutton has a complete record and you yourself said if not for his ear injury, he could’ve been the definite candidate for best after Bradman. He did well everywhere, against the tough Aus attacks as well was an exquisite player of spin. Longevity too, especially in the context of his insult. Only Hobbs, Sachin, Viv, Sobers and probably Smith are better

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hutton has a complete record and you yourself said if not for his ear injury, he could’ve been the definite candidate for best after Bradman. He did well everywhere, against the tough Aus attacks as well was an exquisite player of spin. Longevity too, especially in the context of his insult. Only Hobbs, Sachin, Viv, Sobers and probably Smith are better

I said WITHOUT the injury. The injury happened and made Hutton more..... Limited. He also only really played Australia as a great team. I would take Gavaskar, just. Definitely don't think there is much between the two.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I would consider his '78 Australian tour tougher than his failed '85. The former had wilder pitches. Did great in a WI tour with Holding and Roberts as well. And played Hadlee in his first series in NZ as well. Averages north of 40 in England and had his moments even outside his ATG tour. I would take Sunny ahead of Hutton just, probably.

Hutton has a more complete record. Gavaskar failed in all except one series in England. And Aus record is not bad, but because of his failures vs Lillee he didn’t pass the toughest test there.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I said WITHOUT the injury. The injury happened and made Hutton more..... Limited. He also only really played Australia as a great team. I would take Gavaskar, just. Definitely don't think there is much between the two.

Hutton also mastered Ramadhin and Valentine, and basically had a spotless record. Gavaskar failed vs Lillee in Australia, and failed in all tours in Eng except one

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

They are close, Hutton is number 6/7 for me and Gavaskar 9

 

[kyear2]

I do not think there is any opener who debuted post World War 2 that is as good as Gavaskar.

There is another...