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Is that the only thing it's based onThe team is constituted based on how good you were at test cricket.
or is it also team composition.
Is that the only thing it's based onThe team is constituted based on how good you were at test cricket.
What's the point in calling it a team if you need to build it based on rankings first and roles second.Is that the only thing it's based on
or is it also team composition.
I especially hate the Richards (Barry not Viv) > Gavaskar. Had he seen Barry like peterhrt or Fredfertang, I would had understood. Not when he didn't and one of his primary argument being Barry was World's best from 70-75. But still, forced to choose, I would take it over Sobers>Don.We just agree then that Kyears rates between laughably foolish and very wrong.
It's based on theoretical balance of a team that will play 0 test matches. It doesn't matter at all.The argument is that one is the second name of the team sheet for a reason..... The other, if he makes it, is one of the last and it's a discussion. That's based on test cricket.
Can you try your own arguments rather than relying on others'?I think that question is best aimed at the persons who voted for the lower two options, especially the last one.
The only head to head vote that has existed outside of the community and by historians and past players was the Cricinfo slot for the all-rounders, and it was pretty conclusive.
I promised myself I wouldn't do this and I've taken the day off to relax, but again, down the rabbit hole we shall go.Whatever just make up your mind.
Yeah and you neglect to mention that was only 1/3rd of the test Sobers played. So even if Sobers makes it in the 60s, over his entire career, maybe not.
Imran's batting peak was for 2/3rds of his career.
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Nonsense. Imran overall was a test class specialist lower order bat for any team in the 80s.
Please recall you weren't able to rebut that WI in the 80s, the best team in the world, had Gus Logie play as a lower order bat for an entire career, and Imran was surely better than him.
Prove it. I find that hard to believe give how weak Pakistanis batting was in the 80s and the fact that by the last few years of his career Imran was the best bat in the side, and won MOS just for his batting.
And I rest my caseI mean it's possible because Bradman and Sobers are well ahead of the next in line. Nobody after those two is a lock per se.
But you acknowledge that there is a two man pantheon.Btw, irresponsible of anyone's thoughts on Imran and Sobers, Sobers>Bradman is 10000x crazier than Imran>Sobers. This is but just to state that in that pantheon, 1 and 2 have a crazy difference.
No the rest aren't locks generally. I can find ATG XIs where the rest don't feature. I can't find one where Bradman and Sobers aren't there.And I rest my case
And yes, Tendulkar, Marshall, Gilchrist and for the majority except for me Hobbs are locks.
I believe it's arguable.Yeah @kyear2 loses credibility here when he asserts Sobers is potentially better than Bradman.
But then he also considers McGrath a better cricketer than Hadlee, so his rankings are entirely off.
You do realize that there wasn't even a 10 year gap between Sobers debuting and Bradman retiring right?I think the opposite. A person could argue that Bradman averages 70 in the current era and Sobers is close enough with batting to overtake him. Bad argument, but still.
One player averages 135 in a test seriesMcGrath>Hadlee isn't crazy. I don't agree with it, but not crazy. Sobers>Don is
many think of you the same wayWe just agree then that Kyears rates between laughably foolish and very wrong.
The point is the peak period you give for Sobers is a small fraction of his career. Imran's batting peak is the majority.I promised myself I wouldn't do this and I've taken the day off to relax, but again, down the rabbit hole we shall go.
So we're counting his teenaged years but disregard Wasim's and Imran's English tour? He was a 16 year old off spinner when he started playing the game. By the end of his career he bowled more overs a match than Imran (tests and first class) while always batting in the top order. Yeah he wore down at the end. Still would have made teams as a bowler and was our second or 3rd option.
It's absolute BS to say Logie with 2 tons and a 35 average was better than Imran. You know that and this is just desperation.1. Logie wasn't a test standard batsman
2. Logie was a better batsman than Imran
3. Logie only played 52 tests because his batting alone wasn't good enough to keep him in the team 100% of the time.
4. If Imran couldn't bowl, he isn't making the WI team ahead of Logie because Logie was one of the great fielders of the era, especially at short leg where he was superb.
The rest is irrelevant since I always rated Sobers ahead of Imran.Also not trying to say that the gap between Sobers bowling and Imran's batting is nearly as large as the one that exists between their primary skills, here it's quite close.
Also remember your argument that Wasim was better than Kallis because of the gap between their primary skills alone? Both if those guys are borderline top 10 guys. Sobers is arguably the 2nd greatest bat ever. Imran consistently polls out as the 8th best bowler here. Then there's the fielding, guy is a top 5 slip ever, and to boot in the most crucial (non gloved) position if the field.
Sincerely, it's not close in my, Wisden's, Cricinfo's or the cricket fraternity's position.
You're the peer rating guy, is Imran's rating close to Sobers?
I called it a bad argument bro.You do realize that there wasn't even a 10 year gap between Sobers debuting and Bradman retiring right?
So why would Bradman average 70 while Sobers would average the same?
I don't mind nor do I think he does.many think of you the same way
The latter player doesn't exist.One player averages 135 in a test series
The other averages 100, takes 20 wickets and snares 10 catches.
Which is more valuable.
Again, Don is better, there's a discussion there and not backing down from that.
It's very much both.Is that the only thing it's based on
or is it also team composition.
Maybe it will help if you take a closer look at Sobers' bowling record. See for yourself.The whole concept of even considering Sobers and Imran being remotely on the same level is beyond my comprehension.