Wasim Akram vs Muttiah Muralitharan

[Johan]

Agree, atleast partially. But other thing to consider is I believe it was his only tour in peak. He made tours before his peak in pre doosra days, and after when he was pretty old. Still his India record is thrash, just better than Warny imo.

Agreed

 

[kyear2]

No. Warne never had any decent series in India(which Murali did atleast once). Also Murali dominated India at home(and an ATG Australia side- commendable. Murali’s Australia performance can be justified. Warne’s performance in India and WI can’t. Also Murali at his long peak of 90ish tests took a truckload of wickets

Even if you have Murali ahead of Warne, which is fully justifiable, I can't find the justification of having them in separate tiers.
Murali had more wickets and better wpm, but had way less competition for wickets, on pitches that were designed for him and had his fair share of minnows.

That was the aim of my question. I rank them together basically, so having them that far apart is interesting.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I find this "designed pitches" argument really infuriating. Sri Lankan just were more suitable for spin back then; they were so before, they were so after, they are so till now. Infact they pretty much were high scoring most often. No one says pitches were designed for Lillee, Trueman, Anderson, Steyn etc at home. Also, I don't trust people who thinks playing day and out in a team without any support is better than playing in a high competition one. I mean, if you are mid, sure; you are getting dropped otherwise. But the fact that bowling works in pairs and very much needs pressure to be build from both sides, or you literally having no cover in a bad day, or not even getting to bowl in the 2nd innings as a spinner in many more instances.......

 

[smash84]

I find this "designed pitches" argument really infuriating. Sri Lankan just were more suitable for spin back then; they were so before, they were so after, they are so till now. Infact they pretty much were high scoring most often. No one says pitches were designed for Lillee, Trueman, Anderson, Steyn etc at home. Also, I don't trust people who thinks playing day and out in a team without any support is better than playing in a high competition one. I mean, if you are mid, sure; you are getting dropped otherwise. But the fact that bowling works in pairs and very much needs pressure to be build from both sides, or you literally having no cover in a bad day, or not even getting to bowl in the 2nd innings as a spinner in many more instances.......

Also infuriating, Murali was bowling on minefields and capitalizing fully getting all those wickets. While Mahela and Sanga were feasting runs on the flat tracks of SL. Which one is it?

 

[Johan]

I find this "designed pitches" argument really infuriating. Sri Lankan just were more suitable for spin back then; they were so before, they were so after, they are so till now. Infact they pretty much were high scoring most often. No one says pitches were designed for Lillee, Trueman, Anderson, Steyn etc at home. Also, I don't trust people who thinks playing day and out in a team without any support is better than playing in a high competition one. I mean, if you are mid, sure; you are getting dropped otherwise. But the fact that bowling works in pairs and very much needs pressure to be build from both sides, or you literally having no cover in a bad day, or not even getting to bowl in the 2nd innings as a spinner in many more instances.......

Well.........

 

[Johan]

Also infuriating, Murali was bowling on minefields and capitalizing fully getting all those wickets. While Mahela and Sanga were feasting runs on the flat tracks of SL. Which one is it?

Well anyone who knows what's up knows Mahela is one of the finest players of spin in history

 

[Johan]

Practically speaking there is nothing between Warne and Murali, it's really all preference

 

[kyear2]

I find this "designed pitches" argument really infuriating. Sri Lankan just were more suitable for spin back then; they were so before, they were so after, they are so till now. Infact they pretty much were high scoring most often. No one says pitches were designed for Lillee, Trueman, Anderson, Steyn etc at home. Also, I don't trust people who thinks playing day and out in a team without any support is better than playing in a high competition one. I mean, if you are mid, sure; you are getting dropped otherwise. But the fact that bowling works in pairs and very much needs pressure to be build from both sides, or you literally having no cover in a bad day, or not even getting to bowl in the 2nd innings as a spinner in many more instances.......

Question 1.
Did Murali have considerably more spin friendly pitches at home than Warne. The answer to that can only be yes.

And I'm not even trying to build an argument that Warne was better than Murali, I started off saying I have them basically together.

And for the slow one(s) in the gallery. If you have pitches designed for spin and not in the slightest conducive for pace, and the opponents travel with a primarily pace attack, it is a flat pitches for said pacers and the batsmen that face them. Not every team had a Murali or Warne at their disposal, actually, no other team did. How is that difficult to grasp?

 

[kyear2]

Practically speaking there is nothing between Warne and Murali, it's really all preference

Literally all I was saying, but certain people look for any possible thing I post to nitpick at.

 

[subshakerz]

Close to but much worse WPM. Warne pretty much played 3rd fiddle to McGrath and Gillespie. I will say though that was a good series. But simultaneously, I think Warne in India 2001 is the worst series by an ATG bowler ever, especially in helpful conditions and he effectively costed Australia the series in the Chennai Test.

What about Murali in 97 and 2009? Those were bad too.

Yeah well, one's bowling with Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie while one with Chaminda Vaas and Malinga Bandara, but yeah not going to defend Warnie's India record, just think saying Murali had a good series in India absolving him of other failures there is silly.

It wasn't even that good of a series outside that magic Nagpur spell as he was neutralised besides that.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Practically speaking there is nothing between Warne and Murali, it's really all preference

I'd say there are a few degrees separating them

 

[Prince EWS]

Same league as bowlers. Wasim has his lower order batting but Murali had his ATG fielding as a young man.

@TheJediBrah

 

[Migara]

Practically speaking there is nothing between Warne and Murali, it's really all preference

there is a whole ODI record

 

[Migara]

I'd say there are a few degrees separating them

few pills as well

 

[Johan]

there is a whole ODI record

I don't really care for anything in ODI bar WCs, if one values ODI then that's fair.

 

[Migara]

I don't really care for anything in ODI bar WCs, if one values ODI then that's fair.

You would have cared if Warne had a better record.

 

[Coronis]

You would have cared if Warne had a better record.

If it helps, idc about ODIs at all, regardless of Warne.

 

[Johan]

You would have cared if Warne had a better record.

I'd only care for ODIs if Joe Root was averaging 65 in it.

 

[sayon basak]

I'd only care for ODIs if Joe Root was averaging 65 in it.

He does pretty close tho.

 

[sayon basak]

You would have cared if Warne had a better record.

And you care because Murali has a better record.

BTW that would be the last thing he would want to do as an Englishman.