*Official* New Zealand tour of India 2024

[James]

Turns out all NZ had to do was keep Gary Stead and get rid of Kane Williamson.

You'd have to imagine all the talk surrounding Stead and his position will disappear if they manage to get across the line here.

Stead to get a 10-year contract after this if it does happen

 

[silentstriker]

Respect to NZ. Did not expect this. They are so close to winning their first series in India, which, at this point, is the most difficult achievement in cricket. It's very cool, though it has been painful as an Indian fan to watch.

India have some tough questions ahead, especially with some of the seniors.

 

[King Kane]

Do I really have to explain this to you? If you declare you are NOT getting as many runs as you can.

I would like us to declare at 9 for 500 just to make a statement but I'm not sure we will have that luxury, we will probably be all out before lunch.

 

[Coronis]

1) Ashwin and Jadeja sadly washed.

2) Plucky Kiwis liberated from Kane Williamson's grim authoritarian captaincy finally playing without fear.

I thought Southee was the captain they were just liberated from?

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I thought Southee was the captain they were just liberated from?

Southee was just a front for Williamson's continued dark rule.

 

[BeeGee]

1) Ashwin and Jadeja sadly washed.

There seems to be a new definition for "washed" that I'm not aware of. My balls are washed and my wife thinks it is a good thing. Is she wrong?

 

[Coronis]

There seems to be a new definition for "washed" that I'm not aware of. My balls are washed and my wife thinks it is a good thing. Is she wrong?

Depends who’s washing them.

 

[ashley bach]

That must of been one of the worst shots Virat has ever played.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

 

[honestbharani]

As I have often said before, the most disappointing thing is not the bad shots or the bad catching or even the bad calls or decision making by the captain and management. It is how "down" this side seems to get when things go against them. A far cry from the never say die side we had earlier that won us the BGT in 2021. Strangely enough, only the last 15-20 mins seemed like a regular passage of test match from an Indian side bowling when fields were set decently, bowlers bowled to the field and batsmen were challenged at least somewhat.

They just seem to expect some magic to happen when they are bowling and they are well behind in the game and when it doesn't happen within the first half hour or so, the shoulders and heads just drop, starting with Rohit. We saw it in the 2022 T20 WC semi, we saw it in the ODI WC final, we saw some of it in the WTC final in 2023 and we are seeing it now here. It is ok to have bad days as cricketers, yes, it sucks and the criticism, even here at CW, can be pretty bad but human beings are bound to make mistakes. Its the entire "all in" approach when in strife and not really trying to buckle down and keep the fight going that gets to me. It seems to be the one departure since Shastri quit as coach. In the whole Virat Vs Rohit captaincy debates, that is perhaps a factor that has been overlooked.

I definitely did feel we would bowl better and that the game was far from over inspite of the 103 run lead but the way the heads dropped when the close LBW was not given and then a few other breaks went the Kiwis way, shows this side just does not have the bottle for the long and hard fight. They are great front runners and they are great at coming back when the counter punch sticks, but much like Rocky in that loss to Lang in Rocky 3, this side just seems to go windless if the initial punches dont inflict the damage they expect it to. I honestly do not see anything other than a 150+ run win for NZ from here.

To their credit, I dont think the side have ever asked for any sort of pitches under anyone since the 2015 turners against RSA. And they have played in all sorts of conditions within India and kept winning. I think they just underestimated NZ, looked too far ahead in trying to make a positive play to win the test in Bangalore, made 2 stupid decisions, could not bat well enough as they had never prepared for the conditions to be like that and have been playing catch-up ever since. In a paradoxical way, our bowling at Southee and our batting against the second (and third) new ball in Bangalore is probably gonna be the reason we lose our home streak, than us playing poorly on a wicket that is aiding spin here. They underestimated and were complacent against NZ in Bangalore, overcompensated by going too aggressive on the spin option here and are now staring down a very humiliating series loss.

 

[thierry henry]

It's apparently too difficult to actually determine which specific part of the ball hit the pad first, so they just have it pause the time of impact and then see how much of the ball was in line at the time.

I've spoken to @Spark about this before, but the predictive part of the Hawkeye is actually much more reliable than the impact part, which is counter intuitive as you'd think measuring what actually happened would be easier than measuring what would have without the pad there.

Even a lot of the margin for error in the predictive path is based on the fact that it can get the impact slightly wrong and map it incorrectly based on that, especially if it hits two things (like both pads).

So basically tl;dr Latham wasn’t out

 

[shortpitched713]

I guess silver lining for India is that it's not like New Zealand batted that well, to put themselves this far in front, it was more the doing of an undercooked Indian spin attack (barring the excellent Washington Sundar).

India have the batting quality to chase something like 350 on a day 3 and 4 pitch (have to think of it that way instead of a 4th innings pitch), but yeah are certainly the underdogs.

 

[thierry henry]

FWIW we will definitely lose

 

[thierry henry]

(IW a lot as it’s my accurate opinion)

 

[honestbharani]

From a NZ PoV, the absolute zero or even negative expectations from the side must have meant they were free to plan, prepare and play the way each of them wanted to, as individuals. They have been ruthlessly efficient as most NZ sides I have seen have been. They perhaps make the most of any chances they get than any other side I have seen, and once they prise the door open, they relentlessly work to knock it down.

Rachin, Santner, Conway, O'Rourke, Henry have all been excellent and I fully expect Rachin and O'Rourke to be absolute stars in test cricket going forward. Henry is very hard done by in his new and improved version being still kept an understudy to Southee but hopefully he gets the opportunities he deserves at least from now in the back half of his career. Santner and Conway, I feel, have had quite a bit of luck smile at them this series but to their credit they have dug in and ensured they squeezed the maximum out of it. Unfortunately, I dont feel they will be as good as they have seemingly been here, in the future (and it sucks to say that about 2 of the CSK bois) but this is still an achievement they will never forget.

 

[Burgey]

As I have often said before, the most disappointing thing is not the bad shots or the bad catching or even the bad calls or decision making by the captain and management. It is how "down" this side seems to get when things go against them. A far cry from the never say die side we had earlier that won us the BGT in 2021. Strangely enough, only the last 15-20 mins seemed like a regular passage of test match from an Indian side bowling when fields were set decently, bowlers bowled to the field and batsmen were challenged at least somewhat.

They just seem to expect some magic to happen when they are bowling and they are well behind in the game and when it doesn't happen within the first half hour or so, the shoulders and heads just drop, starting with Rohit. We saw it in the 2022 T20 WC semi, we saw it in the ODI WC final, we saw some of it in the WTC final in 2023 and we are seeing it now here. It is ok to have bad days as cricketers, yes, it sucks and the criticism, even here at CW, can be pretty bad but human beings are bound to make mistakes. Its the entire "all in" approach when in strife and not really trying to buckle down and keep the fight going that gets to me. It seems to be the one departure since Shastri quit as coach. In the whole Virat Vs Rohit captaincy debates, that is perhaps a factor that has been overlooked.

I definitely did feel we would bowl better and that the game was far from over inspite of the 103 run lead but the way the heads dropped when the close LBW was not given and then a few other breaks went the Kiwis way, shows this side just does not have the bottle for the long and hard fight. They are great front runners and they are great at coming back when the counter punch sticks, but much like Rocky in that loss to Lang in Rocky 3, this side just seems to go windless. I honestly do not see anything other than a 150+ run win for NZ from here.

To their credit, I dont think the side have ever asked for any sort of pitches under anyone since the 2015 turners against RSA. And they have played in all sorts of conditions within India and kept winning. I think they just underestimated NZ, looked too far ahead in trying to make a positive play to win the test in Bangalore, made 2 stupid decisions, could not bat well enough as they had never prepared for the conditions to be like that and have been playing catch-up ever since. In a paradoxical way, our bowling at Southee and our batting against the second (and third) new ball in Bangalore is probably gonna be the reason we lose our home streak, than us playing poorly on a wicket that is aiding spin here. They underestimated and were complacent against NZ in Bangalore, overcompensated by going too aggressive on the spin option here and are now staring down a very humiliating series loss.

Ok

 

[Silver Silva]

Ok

You vs Guy she tells you not to worry about !

From a NZ PoV, the absolute zero or even negative expectations from the side must have meant they were free to plan, prepare and play the way each of them wanted to, as individuals. They have been ruthlessly efficient as most NZ sides I have seen have been. They perhaps make the most of any chances they get than any other side I have seen, and once they prise the door open, they relentlessly work to knock it down.

Rachin, Santner, Conway, O'Rourke, Henry have all been excellent and I fully expect Rachin and O'Rourke to be absolute stars in test cricket going forward. Henry is very hard done by in his new and improved version being still kept an understudy to Southee but hopefully he gets the opportunities he deserves at least from now in the back half of his career. Santner and Conway, I feel, have had quite a bit of luck smile at them this series but to their credit they have dug in and ensured they squeezed the maximum out of it. Unfortunately, I dont feel they will be as good as they have seemingly been here, in the future (and it sucks to say that about 2 of the CSK bois) but this is still an achievement they will never forget.

 

[Daemon]

It is how "down" this side seems to get when things go against them. A far cry from the never say die side we had earlier that won us the BGT in 2021. Strangely enough, only the last 15-20 mins seemed like a regular passage of test match from an Indian side bowling when fields were set decently, bowlers bowled to the field and batsmen were challenged at least somewhat.

They just seem to expect some magic to happen when they are bowling and they are well behind in the game and when it doesn't happen within the first half hour or so, the shoulders and heads just drop, starting with Rohit. We saw it in the 2022 T20 WC semi, we saw it in the ODI WC final, we saw some of it in the WTC final in 2023 and we are seeing it now here. It is ok to have bad days as cricketers, yes, it sucks and the criticism, even here at CW, can be pretty bad but human beings are bound to make mistakes. Its the entire "all in" approach when in strife and not really trying to buckle down and keep the fight going that gets to me. It seems to be the one departure since Shastri quit as coach. In the whole Virat Vs Rohit captaincy debates, that is perhaps a factor that has been overlooked.

Yeah veering into armchair psychoanalysis territory here but it’s happened a lot. They give up very very quickly when things don’t go their way. Usually you see it when a catch is dropped or after a few boundaries, but also the way they react in frustration when there’s a play and miss as though every single one deserves to find the edge is kinda telling.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Don't worry, an ATG 4th innings chase is coming up! I can feel it in my veins! If this NZ team can score 250 odd, we can do 350.

 

[Arachnodouche]

This pitch is turning a mile. How tf is Jadeja 0-50 off 10 and Ashwin 1-60 odd

They decided to import their usual overseas form into the country. Tariff-free.

Edit: Actually they're way more economical overseas than this. Not sure what's happened here but some questions need asking.