Kane Williamson not in league of other elite test batters

[Athlai]

When hes in its definitely easier admittedly which is why he has an absurd home average but I doubt Root or Kohli would be surviving as long in NZ conditions that consistently and it's to Williamson's credit

 

[Daemon]

Batting in the top 3 is harder in NZ.

Compared to?

 

[Silver Silva]

Because the stats you referred to weren't at all about the top 3 and the ones I showed were. Batting in the top 3 is harder in NZ. Meanwhile you're acting like the bowling figures that show the numbers are all within 1-2 are definitive for your point.

Then Kane Williamson would have found it easier in India, South Africa , Australia, England ,Sri Lanka to score runs ?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

The only batsman from the Fab 4 era that will end with a truly elite record (50+ average and well rounded record) is probably Steve Smith

 

[Thala_0710]

The only batsman from the Fab 4 era that will end with a truly elite record (50+ average and well rounded record) is probably Steve Smith

Root is there too imo. The AUS blip is a bit overstated and I bet on him to correct it this time anyway

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Root is there too imo. The AUS blip is a bit overstated and I bet on him to correct it this time anyway

I don’t see him averaging in the fifties at the end of his career but we will see. The Ashes is massive for his legacy. It will be a bit awkward if he doesn’t have a hundred in Australia after like 20 games but I think he could do it.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don’t see him averaging in the fifties at the end of his career but we will see. The Ashes is massive for his legacy. It will be a bit awkward if he doesn’t have a hundred in Australia after like 20 games but I think he could do it.

I don't really think there's anymore difference between averaging 50 and 49 than there's between 54 and 53 or 46 and 45. Only 1 run difference in average is significant for a single player in history (okay, was 0.06, but still). And while I don't think Root can legitimately end up in Smith tier, he definitely should in Ponting one. Not like Ponting himself covered all the bases and I think everyone unanimously will take Root in Australia over Ponting in India.

 

[Athlai]

Then Kane Williamson would have found it easier in India, South Africa , Australia, England ,Sri Lanka to score runs ?

Because succeeding at one difficult thing makes you successful at them all?

 

[Silver Silva]

Because succeeding at one difficult thing makes you successful at them all?

Every set of conditions has its own challenges , so maybe the difficulty is succeeding in a variety of conditions rather than one condition being superior to the others.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I don't really think there's anymore difference between averaging 50 and 49 than there's between 54 and 53 or 46 and 45. Only 1 run difference in average is significant for a single player in history (okay, was 0.06, but still). And while I don't think Root can legitimately end up in Smith tier, he definitely should in Ponting one. Not like Ponting himself covered all the bases and I think everyone unanimously will take Root in Australia over Ponting in India.

Agreed somewhat although I don’t think most people will see it that way after his career is over (see Harvey/Boycott). Do you have Kohli in Pontings tier as well?

 

[Athlai]

Every set of conditions has its own challenges , so maybe the difficulty is succeeding in a variety of conditions rather than one condition being superior to the others.

Specifically the only difficult one in NZ is batting against a new ball. Particularly the first new ball.

 

[Johan]

Agreed somewhat although I don’t think most people will see it that way after his career is over (see Harvey/Boycott). Do you have Kohli in Pontings tier as well?

Harvey not being rated is a skill issue imo.

Boyc is somewhat understandable, Gavaskar is pretty much everything boyc was, but better.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Agreed somewhat although I don’t think most people will see it that way after his career is over (see Harvey/Boycott). Do you have Kohli in Pontings tier as well?

Harvey was great, but he also played in an era the Ws has crazy stats, though at much flatter pitches. I rate him about there as well, Weekes slightly ahead of Walcott slightly ahead of Harvey slightly ahead of Worrell. His record in England, being in an era scoring in England was even more important for an Aussie than today, works against him. Boycott suffers due to selfish reasons more than anything else. Like, I don't think I would had rated Viv any different given he went at 49.8 instead of 50.8.
Right now, I have neither quite there. I don't rate players before retirement too highly. But once they retire, I think they will. Would like Kohli to have 3 good years (not necessarily even great, just mid 40s) and a decent English tour (2 good innings and a few serviceable ones will do). If he does that, I would rate him there. For Root, he needs to perform as he is doing for a few more years, or atleast Don't fall off a cliff; and ofcourse another good Aussie tour with a century won't hurt.

 

[BazBall21]

Harvey definitely isn't far behind Weekes and Walcott. Had substantially tougher wickets at home.

 

[BazBall21]

I think Kohli is still India's best batsman outside the subcontinent but pretty cooked in his home conditions.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think Kohli is still India's best batsman outside the subcontinent but pretty cooked in his home conditions.

Currently? He is fine at home imo. 2 matches vs Bangladesh is hardly enough sample size. Looked really good in the NZ second innings as well.

 

[BazBall21]

New Zealand is a lot tougher for top 3 batsmen than middle order players and Williamson batting 3 is a plus point for him. I suspect South Africa, England and the West Indies are tougher for the top 3 though. NZ isn't uniquely difficult for no3s and as has been mentioned, the help for bowlers over there fall apart pretty quickly on a regular basis.

 

[BazBall21]

Currently? He is fine at home imo. 2 matches vs Bangladesh is hardly enough sample size. Looked really good in the NZ second innings as well.

Think he is past it in Asia tbh. Was never great on actual turners&against capable attacks there but those problems have naturally become much more pronounced with age and that has coincided with rank turners becoming more frequent in India.

Still an asset in pace-oriented conditions though. I always root for him nowadays unless it's against England.

 

[Chin Music]

I think Kohli is still India's best batsman outside the subcontinent but pretty cooked in his home conditions.

So he's going to fail in England next year, given he now lives here!

 

[sayon basak]

I don’t see him averaging in the fifties at the end of his career but we will see. The Ashes is massive for his legacy. It will be a bit awkward if he doesn’t have a hundred in Australia after like 20 games but I think he could do it.

I'm just gonna bookmark this.