*OFFICIAL* England in Pakistan 2024

[the big bambino]

Would be pretty rare for such a revamped side to comeback so well. They dropped some big names and got gold star performances from all the replacements. Doubtless winning the toss gave Pakistan an advantage but to overcome the soul taking thrashing just a week ago to this effort suggests the side has a fair bit of resilience.

 

[Molehill]

Dont think the toss had as much to with this result as England's catching. And, you know, the fact that Pakistan played really really well. I know we make fun of the uncles but those were some serious spells, help or no help from the pitch.

I think the biggest error was probably not reviewing the Rizwan caught behind in the first innings. Pakistan would've been 198-5 and every chance they were bowled out for under 300. England might have been able to burgle a first innings lead and it's an entirely different game.

By the time the drops happened England were way behind the game and I don't think they made a huge difference.

The toss was clearly an important factor though.

 

[Johan]

Still think we will beat the Aussies 5-0

I'd be happy with One Win, we need to start first being competitive in Australia before eyeing series wins, more importantly we need an attack that can take 20 wickets consistenty rather than the usual one or two good bowlers who the aussies just block and then proceed to smash everyone else.

 

[GIMH]

Pak played well and deserved the win. We had chances that we missed that could have swayed things; the Rizwan non-referral, the many dropped catches. The toss was obviously a factor but the collapse from 2 down in our 1st innings was the main reason we lost IMO.

 

[mackembhoy]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1847208500365295726

 

[Niall]

Noman Ali not getting MOTM is a genuine WTF moment.

 

[nightprowler10]

Would be pretty rare for such a revamped side to comeback so well. They dropped some big names and got gold star performances from all the replacements. Doubtless winning the toss gave Pakistan an advantage but to overcome the soul taking thrashing just a week ago to this effort suggests the side has a fair bit of resilience.

Yeah this is the most pleasantly surprising piece for me. Our teams haven't really shown anything that could be mistaken for resilience since the Misbah days.

 

[mackembhoy]

Noman Ali not getting MOTM is a genuine WTF moment.

It really isn't as the game was already won by the time 4th innings began.

Khan had the biggest impact with his 7fer.

I don't really get why people put so much stake in awards anyway in all life not just cricket/sport.

 

[danzydab]

Rawalpindi will probably be Stokes' last test in Asia

 

[danzydab]

He top scored in this innings.

And Bashir, Leach outscored him in the 1st innings.
Not only is his batting average in Asia low, he is not fit enough to bowl enough overs.
Stokes is a liability in the subcontinent. Somebody like Dawson in his place would make a bigger difference in these conditions.

 

[BazBall21]

And Bashir, Leach outscored him in the 1st innings.
Not only is his batting average in Asia low, he is not fit enough to bowl enough overs.
Stokes is a liability in the subcontinent. Somebody like Dawson in his place would make a bigger difference in these conditions.

Classic innings on a rank turner today.

 

[Molehill]

And Bashir, Leach outscored him in the 1st innings.
Not only is his batting average in Asia low, he is not fit enough to bowl enough overs.
Stokes is a liability in the subcontinent. Somebody like Dawson in his place would make a bigger difference in these conditions.

On Day 1 when there was something in it for the seamers, we could really have done with someone who could've bowled more than 5 overs. That's why Pakistan would have been right royally screwed had they lost the toss.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Always thought this was on the cards . Seriously though, this English team is making a habit of getting too big for their shoes after taking an early lead in series. At least that's the vibe they put out in the press and it can't but rile up any self-respecting opposition.

 

[FBU]

On Day 1 when there was something in it for the seamers, we could really have done with someone who could've bowled more than 5 overs. That's why Pakistan would have been right royally screwed had they lost the toss.

His speed was down for bowling reverse-swing. Should have let Potts have a go. Don't think Stokes gets into the team if he is not bowling.

 

[BazBall21]

Always thought this was on the cards . Seriously though, this English team is making a habit of getting too big for their shoes after taking an early lead in series. At least that's the vibe they put out in the press and it can't but rile up any self-respecting opposition.

Have they actually said anything of note on this tour?

 

[Arachnodouche]

Have they actually said anything of note on this tour?

Thought Duckett said something about Pak crumbling in the third innings? Sure there's precedent for that, but rubbing it in so blatantly is just tempting fate and an already #CorneredTiger.

 

[BazBall21]

Jokes aside, Stokes has never been comfortable batting on spinning wickets and that caveat is naturally deteriorating further with age. His bowling though was good in Asia before his long term knee injury which propped up his value on the SC. I agree that he needs his bowling in Asia. In comparison to Dawson though (as he's been mentioned), that pitch in the second Test was very rare in Pakistan. Usually much harsher conditions to spin and it still was pretty tough for spin in the first five sessions which covered one of England's bowling innings.

 

[BazBall21]

Thought Duckett said something about Pak crumbling in the third innings? Sure there's precedent for that, but rubbing it in so blatantly is just tempting fate and an already #CorneredTiger.

Don't recall that so I couldn't say if the comment was unnatural or not but I can't see it being that bad given I've heard nothing. He did make a sanctimonious comment on the India tour which I found a bit pathetic and he's had plenty of stick from England fans as well as everyone else over that.

 

[BazBall21]

I've had a look. He just said "they can crumble" out of optimism. Nothing wrong with that. Just moaning at this point cos' it's England.

 

[Arachnodouche]

I've had a look. He literally just said "there's a chance Pakistan could crumble" out of optimism. Nothing wrong with that. Just moaning at this point cos' it's England.

Legit enough reason IMHO.