*OFFICIAL* England in Pakistan 2024

[Starfighter]

Other than the ball Kamran just got very lucky from in the 20 minutes or so I've been watching it's not really done much.

Why are we playing on the same deck that we were? Could they really not have produced a fresh wicked couple down either side?

Who knows? If they wanted a real turner make a new pitch, water it, roll it only lightly and scalp it. While a couple of balls have gone through the surface it's not real crumbly. I'm surprised that they still left the layer of dead grass on it.

 

[sithb]

This is where an SG ball with a much more pronounced seam could have been useful.

Land the ball on the seam and you'll get a variation on the bounce.

The kookaburra is just not suited for test cricket outside of Aus/ SA

 

[sithb]

Yeah , worth getting a seamer on to see if there's any reverse on offer

 

[Starfighter]

The kookaburra is just not suited for test cricket outside of Aus/ SA

I'd debate that it's suited for test cricket in Australia either. It's only been tolerable with grassier pitches in recent years.

 

[Groundking]

The kookaburra is just not suited for test cricket

FTFY

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Well done Pakistan selectors. Dropping the main man was a huge call but his replacement gets a 50. One big tick in the box for them whatever happens.

 

[Molehill]

Well done Pakistan selectors. Dropping the main man was a huge call but his replacement gets a 50. One big tick in the box for them whatever happens.

He seems to be luckier than Babar too. These two certainly had a bit since lunch.

 

[sithb]

Must be someone with an entirely special world view who thought that the Kookaburra makes sense as a cricket ball.

I'll bet that if you look at the stats of Pakistan pre the adoption of kookaburra to post the adoption , there will be a major difference in results too.

And these are the simple things that should have been fixed.

 

[Silver Silva]

100 partnership up ! Great stuff

 

[Chin Music]

Must be someone with an entirely special world view who thought that the Kookaburra makes sense as a cricket ball.

I'll bet that if you look at the stats of Pakistan pre the adoption of kookaburra to post the adoption , there will be a major difference in results too.

And these are the simple things that should have been fixed.

Specialist batters will love the ball. Specialist bowlers certainly won't.

 

[Molehill]

Bashir just not threatening at all. Surely time to rotate the pacers around Leach.

 

[sithb]

Pakistan to use Dukes in domestic red-ball cricket; World Test Championship matches to see Kookaburra | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: The Pakistan Cricket Board decided to use Dukes balls for all domestic red-ball games in the 2024/25 season, while seven World Test Championship match

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And add the point that they are using Dukes in domestic cricket.

How many mistakes can a cricketing board make ?

 

[sithb]

Specialist batters will love the ball. Specialist bowlers certainly won't.

Bowlers win you matches. Batsmen don't.

 

[Starfighter]

Must be someone with an entirely special world view who thought that the Kookaburra makes sense as a cricket ball.

I'll bet that if you look at the stats of Pakistan pre the adoption of kookaburra to post the adoption , there will be a major difference in results too.

And these are the simple things that should have been fixed.

I think they've used it in tests for a while. There were rumblings for a long time because they used a different, cheaper brand (Gray's I think) in domestic cricket.

They dominate, AFAIK, due to aggressive marketing. They took over here in the seventies (I think) after they stopped using ones made in England. They attained their complete dominance in with ball cricket after the Dukes ball from the '99 World Cup had the temerity to swing.

 

[Molehill]

Bowlers win you matches. Batsmen don't.

I'd say England's ability to rack up 800 in the last Test was fairly key to Pakistan imploding in their 2nd innings.

 

[BazBall21]

Jamie Smith has been stood too far back to seam in this innings. It's not Brisbane.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Bowlers win you matches. Batsmen don't.

It's a point I generally have sympathy for and is true more often than not, but I think it'd be wrongheaded to try to argue that it wasn't Root's and Brook's runs that won the first test.

 

[Molehill]

Jamie Smith has been stood too far back to seam in this innings. It's not Brisbane.

Agreed, might have caught the one before lunch had he been stood closer.

Says a lot about the pitch that there are already no slips in.

 

[Chin Music]

Bowlers win you matches. Batsmen don't.

Certainly not disagreeing with that.

 

[sithb]

It's a point I generally have sympathy for and is true more often than not, but I think it'd be wrongheaded to try to argue that it wasn't Root's and Brook's runs that won the first test.

Sure , in general.