Ravindra Jadeja vs Ian Botham

[PlayerComparisons]

Two superstars

 

[Majestic]

Batting - Botham( he has 14 tons in 100 tests)
Bowling - Same level

Botham was poor vs the great West Indies.

 

[subshakerz]

Botham easily.

 

[Al Salvador]

Botham was a better bowler and a much better batsman, so him.

 

[ma1978]

Botham was a better bowler and a much better batsman, so him.

worse average, worse WPM, worse everything - what makes him a better bowler?

 

[Johan]

Botham's stats fell off the cliff when he turned into the classic fat miserable uncle after 85, but he was definitely better than Jadeja by a margin.

 

[Al Salvador]

worse average, worse WPM, worse everything - what makes him a better bowler?

Better overseas record and balanced split of home/away games. Jadeja's record is inflated by barely playing in SENA and the drs factor.

 

[ma1978]

Better overseas record and balanced split of home/away games. Jadeja's record is inflated by barely playing in SENA and the drs factor.

Botham was a disaster in the West Indies. Beat up on a minnow level India which inflated his numbers.

SENA are just some arbitrary countries, no more or less important than anywhere else.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Botham averaged 29 with the bat if you take out his India runs, bit of a skewed record tstl. Still voted him because his peak had obscene impact where he performed with bat and ball simultaneously on a regular basis .

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Botham was a very lucky cricketer like Marnus Labuschagne

 

[Johan]

Botham was a very lucky cricketer like Marnus Labuschagne

Why do you say that?

 

[ma1978]

Botham averaged 29 with the bat if you take out his India runs, bit of a skewed record tstl. Still voted him because his peak had obscene impact where he performed with bat and ball simultaneously on a regular basis .

agreed I voted for Botham for that ridiculous peak but Jadeja’s peak is looking pretty startling as well. Never a cricketer I particularly rated but he’s impossible to ignore.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Jadejas stats are looking similar to Imran’s and Miller’s stats

 

[Bolo.]

Botham averaged 29 with the bat if you take out his India runs, bit of a skewed record tstl. Still voted him because his peak had obscene impact where he performed with bat and ball simultaneously on a regular basis .

Is there a reason this should matter?

 

[Coronis]

Is there a reason this should matter?

Would depend on the parameters I guess.

If someone was specifically asking who was the best allrounder I’d take performing simulataneously as a big part of it, vs who was the better player.

 

[Bolo.]

Would depend on the parameters I guess.

If someone was specifically asking who was the best allrounder I’d take performing simulataneously as a big part of it, vs who was the better player.

Are you any less rounded if your performances come in different matches?

Although maybe you guys mean simultaneously in the sense of not having a career llik Wilfred Rhodes. This I can understand.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Are you any less rounded if your performances come in different matches?

Although maybe you guys mean simultaneously in the sense of not having a career llik Wilfred Rhodes. This I can understand.

Rhodes is kinda an extreme, one of a kind case though.

 

[honestbharani]

Are you any less rounded if your performances come in different matches?

Although maybe you guys mean simultaneously in the sense of not having a career llik Wilfred Rhodes. This I can understand.

Wilfred Rhodes is not that much of an unicorn though. In the 80s and 90s, I think Ravi Shastri and Imran Khan had similar careers. Kallis hardly bowled towards the last few years of his career. Vettori was practically a batsman towards the last few years of his career. I just think your batting prime lasts a tad bit longer than your bowling prime and a lot of these guys who start off as bowling allrounders or even bowlers who can bat, end up playing more as batting allrounders or even proper batsmen.


PS - I know Kallis was always a batting allrounder.

 

[Bolo.]

Wilfred Rhodes is not that much of an unicorn though. In the 80s and 90s, I think Ravi Shastri and Imran Khan had similar careers. Kallis hardly bowled towards the last few years of his career. Vettori was practically a batsman towards the last few years of his career. I just think your batting prime lasts a tad bit longer than your bowling prime and a lot of these guys who start off as bowling allrounders or even bowlers who can bat, end up playing more as batting allrounders or even proper batsmen.


PS - I know Kallis was always a batting allrounder.

Ya, I don't mean that an example needs to be as extreme as Rhodes, but I can understand wanting peaks to intersect.

 

[Coronis]

Are you any less rounded if your performances come in different matches?

Although maybe you guys mean simultaneously in the sense of not having a career llik Wilfred Rhodes. This I can understand.

I mean idk in my head it just makes sense for “the best allrounder” to be someone who performed with both bat and ball at the same time, ideally in the same matches.

But that wouldn’t necessarily make them the better player than someone who didn’t do both at the exact same time.

If that makes sense.