Rahul Dravid vs Ravichandran Ashwin

[PlayerComparisons]

Two geniuses of Indian cricket

 

[Majestic]

Dravid as batter > Ashwin as bowler
David as cricketer < Ashwin as cricketer

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid, also adding his underrated captaincy.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Dravid is definitely better in their primary disciplines while Ashwin is much better in their secondary disciplines

 

[Xix2565]

Dravid is in no way better in their primary disciplines. No ****ing way.

 

[ma1978]

Dravid better in their primary discipline but not wildly so. He was India’s greatest match winner overseas with the bat.

When you factor in Ashwin’s batting vs Dravid’s captaincy and wicket keeping it probably is a dead heat.

Dravid played 50 tests more so Dravid

 

[ma1978]

Certainly the two most intelligent modern Indian cricketers and “most likely to join a corporate board”

 

[PlayerComparisons]

It’s tough choosing between two top tier ATGs

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dravid is in no way better in their primary disciplines. No ****ing way.

I think it's arguable he's higher on the ladder of great batsmen than Ashwin is for bowlers. Close though .

 

[ma1978]

The one thing is that Ashwin’s career isn’t done.

another 20-25 tests of excellence and possibly a great series in Aus could swing this

 

[Coronis]

I think it's arguable he's higher on the ladder of great batsmen than Ashwin is for bowlers. Close though .

It would swing either way I guess if you were looking at “best bowlers” or “best spin bowlers”

 

[PlayerComparisons]

The one thing is that Ashwin’s career isn’t done.

another 20-25 tests of excellence and possibly a great series in Aus could swing this

Good point. It’s not impossible that he ends with 700 wickets and 5k runs.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Certainly the two most intelligent modern Indian cricketers and “most likely to join a corporate board”

Kumble is him.

 

[sayon basak]

Dravid is in no way better in their primary disciplines. No ****ing way.

That's a bit of a stretch. Ashwin could have been better in primary discipline if his numbers were overall better overseas.

 

[sayon basak]

Good point. It’s not impossible that he ends with 700 wickets and 5k runs.

That'd depend on how many years he can play . He could play up until he's 42 but I don't think that's very likely.

 

[kyear2]

Dravid is definitely better in their primary disciplines while Ashwin is much better in their secondary disciplines

How is Ashwin better in secondary discipline when Dravid was an ATG slip fielder and has the most catches in test history

Seriously, I'm listening

Dravid > Ashwin in primary discipline

Dravid > Ashwin in secondary discipline

 

[ma1978]

How is Ashwin better in secondary discipline when Dravid was an ATG slip fielder and has the most catches in test history

Seriously, I'm listening

Dravid > Ashwin in primary discipline

Dravid > Ashwin in secondary discipline

You are a parody of yourself sometimes

Fielding is not a secondary discipline. The impact of fielding is fractional vs bowling or batting

 

[OverratedSanity]

You are a parody of yourself sometimes

Fielding is not a secondary discipline. The impact of fielding is fractional vs bowling or batting

It usually is but Ashwin's lower order batting isn't full all rounder level like an imran or Kapil or Jadeja.

 

[Thala_0710]

How is Ashwin better in secondary discipline when Dravid was an ATG slip fielder and has the most catches in test history

Seriously, I'm listening

Dravid > Ashwin in primary discipline

Dravid > Ashwin in secondary discipline

Dravid's overall value in slip fielding, keeping, captaincy etc was very very valuable and would probably equal Ashwins batting for me. However it's Dravid's away performances which is the clincher for me. There is a fair argument to me made that Dravid was the best away bat of his gen bar Tendulkar and Lara

 

[kyear2]

You are a parody of yourself sometimes

Fielding is not a secondary discipline. The impact of fielding is fractional vs bowling or batting

Thanks, I do wholly rely on your options of me to make it through the day.

Fielding isn't a primary discipline and yes, the impact of fielding is fractional when compared to the primary skills of batting or bowling.

The idiotic blanket statement though that it isn't a secondary skills and not comparable even to secondary skills of batting or bowling isn't grounded in fact.

Just like how Jadeja at times makes his case for selection via his batting when only one spinner is required, I've listed on multiple occasions the names of players who either gained, kept or even secured their positions in test cricket based on their slip fielding.

That's not even taking into account how valuable and impactful Dravid was to the Indian team as the (often) sole slipper to the Indian spinners. How valuable Mahela was for Murali, Taylor / Waugh for Warne. It's critical to a spinners success.

If you want to say that the high end or elite all-rounders' secondary skills are more important than that of the elite slip specialists, then fine, I would.protest, and we can have a discussion about it, but it would be a much more valid position.

For teams like SA and the WI (when we had Hall and Griffith), Sobers and Kallis were at least as valuable at 2nd slip as they were with the ball.

To have a great team, all aspects of it has to be great, yet a particularly vocal member of the forum, for some unknown reason, continues to denigrate the importance of having strong cordon support.