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Dravid vs Kallis vs Ponting vs Sanga in Tests

The better test batsman

  • Dravid

  • Kallis

  • Ponting

  • Sanga

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ma1978

International Debutant
Besides the point, Kallis was just a bog standard player of consistent non-great innings.

literally it’s only the stats nerds here who can’t get past his average
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
Why do you discredit the ability and impact of being able to dominate your opponent?

The ability to change gears and out your opponent on the back foot?
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Do you want to discredit the ability to play long innings, seeing of the new ball and making it easy for the batsmen to come?

The ability to play impactful back to the wall innings when most needed?
 
M

ma1978

International Debutant
capt_Luffy said:
Do you want to discredit the ability to play long innings, seeing of the new ball and making it easy for the batsmen to come?

The ability to play impactful back to the wall innings when most needed?
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Ponting can do this just as well as Kallis and a lot more

that’s why he had the better career
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Do you want to discredit the ability to play long innings, seeing of the new ball and making it easy for the batsmen to come?

The ability to play impactful back to the wall innings when most needed?
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You donrelaise it's easier for aggressive batsmen to slow down, than for batsmen like Sutcliffe and Boycott to accelerate as required.

The batsmen I rate higher aren't necessarily the more aggressive ones, it's the ones who can adjust their scoring as required. Up or down... The back to the wall, but more importantly and skilfully, the ones who can destroy an attack and change the course of an innings.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
You donrelaise it's easier for aggressive batsmen to slow down, than for batsmen like Sutcliffe and Boycott to accelerate as required.

The batsmen I rate higher aren't necessarily the more aggressive ones, it's the ones who can adjust their scoring as required. Up or down... The back to the wall, but more importantly and skilfully, the ones who can destroy an attack and change the course of an innings.
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You don't realise it either. Most of the batsmen I rate highly I have seldom read have costed their side by slowing down. By a general rule of thumb, making the bowlers work harder for your wicket is better. You can rate Ponting highly due to fear, I can Dravid for dependability. To change a match you don't need to do it in an innings, take all the time you need until you get the job done.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
You don't realise it either. Most of the batsmen I rate highly I have seldom read have costed their side by slowing down. By a general rule of thumb, making the bowlers work harder for your wicket is better. You can rate Ponting highly due to fear, I can Dravid for dependability. To change a match you don't need to do it in an innings, take all the time you need until you get the job done.
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I will ask you again, which calls for more skill?
 
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
You don't realise it either. Most of the batsmen I rate highly I have seldom read have costed their side by slowing down. By a general rule of thumb, making the bowlers work harder for your wicket is better. You can rate Ponting highly due to fear, I can Dravid for dependability. To change a match you don't need to do it in an innings, take all the time you need until you get the job done.
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It's about watching the game also... Not every match when you come in at 3 is about saving anything. It's about setting the tone and responsibly trying to get on top of the bowlers before they settle into their lines.

Will never forget Marnus's innings from last year where he came in and totally sucked all momentum from the innings, allowing the bowlers to stick to plan and lines and cost his team. It allows for the tightening of fields, and more attacking fielders. It's not only about entertaining the crowd.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
It's about watching the game also... Not every match when you come in at 3 is about saving anything. It's about setting the tone and responsibly trying to get on top of the bowlers before they settle into their lines.

Will never forget Marnus's innings from last year where he came in and totally sucked all momentum from the innings, allowing the bowlers to stick to plan and lines and cost his team. It allows for the tightening of fields, and more attacking fielders. It's not only about entertaining the crowd.
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It definitely comes about match situation as well. I very vividly remember England having a strong grasp in the 3rd Test and then Root throwing away his wicket, which ultimately led to England succumbing.
 
Red_Ink_Squid

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
ma1978 said:
Ponting can do this just as well as Kallis and a lot more

that’s why he had the better career
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Hard agree.

Kallis may have scored all those thousands of runs in harder conditions at a better average while in a worse team and having to bowl as well.

But he was such a beta. The SA fans here should feel ashamed of both him and themselves.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Red_Ink_Squid said:
Hard agree.

Kallis may have scored all those thousands of runs in harder conditions at a better average while in a worse team and having to bowl as well.

But he was such a beta. The SA fans here should feel ashamed of both him and themselves.
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Note, I'm a fan of Kallis and I think he's easily the 2nd best all round cricketer of all time. But It can't be denied that he wasn't as willing or able as Punter to adapt to match conditions and take over games and attacks as needed.

But that doesn't mean Kallis wasn't a giant. I just think than Ponting was ever so marginally better.
 
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