capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Make one then. Surely the discussion will be very pleasant and civil......
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Allan Border vs Younis Khan
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sayon basak
International Debutant
Ok then, guess I'm gonna make a thread about it in cc.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
It's quite different though, very different actually. No need for arbitrary ATG XIs in these discussion.
sayon basak
International Debutant
Whatever. Not really the same thing as making XI's imo.
Red_Ink_Squid
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So these two have very similar raw stats (Younis a touch better). Despite batting down the order more than Younis, Border gets the nod for playing in a bowling friendly era and in a worse side. But was he really much better than Younis?
In terms of contribution to his team, his runs per innings are unusually low for his average (Chanderpaul-esque even) at just 42.17 (cf 47.41 for Younis).
He also performed disproportionately well in drawn games, which kinda shoots down the idea that he was a master of bowling friendly contests. Seems he mostly dominated in matches where bowlers couldn't take 20 wickets. Border's average in games with a result (tied Test included!) is a modest 41.43, with just 11 centuries from 97 matches. He averaged 68.70 in draws.
Cf Younis who averaged 50.68 in matches excluding draws, with 26 centuries from 91 matches. So in matches with a result he is averaging almost 10 runs higher than Border per dismissal and more than 2.5 times more likely to score a century.
What puts Border on a whole different level than Younis other than nostalgia (and lots of stat padding in draws
)?
In terms of contribution to his team, his runs per innings are unusually low for his average (Chanderpaul-esque even) at just 42.17 (cf 47.41 for Younis).
He also performed disproportionately well in drawn games, which kinda shoots down the idea that he was a master of bowling friendly contests. Seems he mostly dominated in matches where bowlers couldn't take 20 wickets. Border's average in games with a result (tied Test included!) is a modest 41.43, with just 11 centuries from 97 matches. He averaged 68.70 in draws.
Cf Younis who averaged 50.68 in matches excluding draws, with 26 centuries from 91 matches. So in matches with a result he is averaging almost 10 runs higher than Border per dismissal and more than 2.5 times more likely to score a century.
What puts Border on a whole different level than Younis other than nostalgia (and lots of stat padding in draws
)?
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
A very strong argument in favour of Border is his record across vastly different conditions is very balanced. Younis was bad in SA and horrible in WI.So these two have very similar raw stats (Younis a touch better). Despite batting down the order more than Younis, Border gets the nod for playing in a bowling friendly era and in a worse side. But was he really much better than Younis?
In terms of contribution to his team, his runs per innings are unusually low for his average (Chanderpaul-esque even) at just 42.17 (cf 47.41 for Younis).
He also performed disproportionately well in drawn games, which kinda shoots down the idea that he was a master of bowling friendly contests. Seems he mostly dominated in matches where bowlers couldn't take 20 wickets. Border's average in games with a result (tied Test included!) is a modest 41.43, with just 11 centuries from 97 matches. He averaged 68.70 in draws.
Cf Younis who averaged 50.68 in matches excluding draws, with 26 centuries from 91 matches. So in matches with a result he is averaging almost 10 runs higher than Border and 2.5 times more likely to score a century.
What puts Border on a whole different level than Younis other than nostalgia and lots of stat padding in draws?