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Fred Trueman vs Waqar Younis

Who is the better test bowler?

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BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Trueman was unofficially excluded from overseas tests for a long time after he was made a scapegoat for the turbulent 1953-54 WI tour.

He legitimately didn't play a few home tests on cricketing grounds because stump to stump trundlers and an extra spinner were valued on those green and damp wickets.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
shortpitched713 said:
I can tell you, he wasn't Wes Hall quick.
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Quoting The Edge Magazine-

"Could it be possible that Jeff Thompson's world record of 160.5km/h was broken 40 years before if was set? If mythology is to be believed then the English pace kings, Larwood, Tyson and Trueman were faster again. If Thommo can be trusted, then he bowled much quicker than 160 anyway.

One of the many beauties of cricket is its unchangeability. One of these is that the distance between popping creases has remained unchanged for over a century - 22 yards.
It got us thinking, could a comparison of bowling speeds be made between eras using archival footage of the bowler in stride and at the moment of delivery? Surely by timing the ball from the moment it left the hand to the moment it arrived at the batsman we could obtain an approximate figure.

So given that VHS video works reliably at 25 frames per second, we adapted the sample to kilometres per hour and applied it to the many fast bowlers from different eras of whom action footage still exists.
From the movies we obtained, both Fred Trueman and Frank Tyson were found to bowl at 10 frames, putting them as high at 159.12km/h with an average of 152.63. While Thommo and Ray Lindwall were clocked at 11 frames putting their peaks in the low 150's with an average of 139. Keith Miller and Wes Hall were throwing them down in 12 dazzling frames at an average of 127.3 but the variant between venom was high with each."
 
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sayon basak said:
Quoting The Edge Magazine-

"Could it be possible that Jeff Thompson's world record of 160.5km/h was broken 40 years before if was set? If mythology is to be believed then the English pace kings, Larwood, Tyson and Trueman were faster again. If Thommo can be trusted, then he bowled much quicker than 160 anyway.

One of the many beauties of cricket is its unchangeability. One of these is that the distance between popping creases has remained unchanged for over a century - 22 yards.
It got us thinking, could a comparison of bowling speeds be made between eras using archival footage of the bowler in stride and at the moment of delivery? Surely by timing the ball from the moment it left the hand to the moment it arrived at the batsman we could obtain an approximate figure.

So given that VHS video works reliably at 25 frames per second, we adapted the sample to kilometres per hour and applied it to the many fast bowlers from different eras of whom action footage still exists.
From the movies we obtained, both Fred Trueman and Frank Tyson were found to bowl at 10 frames, putting them as high at 159.12km/h with an average of 152.63. While Thommo and Ray Lindwall were clocked at 11 frames putting their peaks in the low 150's with an average of 139. Keith Miller and Wes Hall were throwing them down in 12 dazzling frames at an average of 127.3 but the variant between venom was high with each."
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Thommo was faster than them all really, everyone before him and imho everyone since.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
sayon basak said:
Quoting The Edge Magazine-

"Could it be possible that Jeff Thompson's world record of 160.5km/h was broken 40 years before if was set? If mythology is to be believed then the English pace kings, Larwood, Tyson and Trueman were faster again. If Thommo can be trusted, then he bowled much quicker than 160 anyway.

One of the many beauties of cricket is its unchangeability. One of these is that the distance between popping creases has remained unchanged for over a century - 22 yards.
It got us thinking, could a comparison of bowling speeds be made between eras using archival footage of the bowler in stride and at the moment of delivery? Surely by timing the ball from the moment it left the hand to the moment it arrived at the batsman we could obtain an approximate figure.

So given that VHS video works reliably at 25 frames per second, we adapted the sample to kilometres per hour and applied it to the many fast bowlers from different eras of whom action footage still exists.
From the movies we obtained, both Fred Trueman and Frank Tyson were found to bowl at 10 frames, putting them as high at 159.12km/h with an average of 152.63. While Thommo and Ray Lindwall were clocked at 11 frames putting their peaks in the low 150's with an average of 139. Keith Miller and Wes Hall were throwing them down in 12 dazzling frames at an average of 127.3 but the variant between venom was high with each."
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Interesting, although "approximate" should really be taken as the key word here.

Not sure I'm believing that any of those listed were bowling faster than Thomson.

Hall is my pick for fastest among a number of pre-Thomson (i.e. pre speedgun) quicks. I take that not from counting frames, but from the reaction of batsmen, and approximate distance of fielder placement.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
shortpitched713 said:
Interesting, although "approximate" should really be taken as the key word here.

Not sure I'm believing that any of those listed were bowling faster than Thomson.

Hall is my pick for fastest among a number of pre-Thomson (i.e. pre speedgun) quicks. I take that not from counting frames, but from the reaction of batsmen, and approximate distance of fielder placement.
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My bet is Tyson.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
shortpitched713 said:
Interesting, although "approximate" should really be taken as the key word here.

Not sure I'm believing that any of those listed were bowling faster than Thomson.

Hall is my pick for fastest among a number of pre-Thomson (i.e. pre speedgun) quicks. I take that not from counting frames, but from the reaction of batsmen, and approximate distance of fielder placement.
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Actually none of their "approximate" speed exceeded 160. So It's safe to say thommo was faster than those mentioned.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:

This video has some good footage. My comment was made more on a study done in Wellington University; where they actually measured the bowling speeds of som Pacers and found him comfortably the fastest.
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Comparing to Hall in this video, in my honest opinion the batsmen look more hurried, circumspect, and careful to Hall. Tyson certainly looks quick too, but this is just my opinion from the viewing.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
shortpitched713 said:

Comparing to Hall in this video, in my honest opinion the batsmen look more hurried, circumspect, and careful to Hall. Tyson certainly looks quick too, but this is just my opinion from the viewing.
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Is the video sped up? Or is the music making it appear scary?
 
OverratedSanity

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Find it hard to believe any of them (except Thomson) we're as fast as Akhtar. They just don't look as quick and their actions lack the same level of explosiveness and follow through
 
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