subshakerz
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Assuming the bowler is in their prime and not injured, what is the worst bashing for an ATG bowlers?
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What is the worst series performance by an ATG bowler?
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capt_Luffy
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Warne and McGrath in that home NZ series in which they both averaged 50+ is a decent shout imo.
subshakerz
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It was definite shoulder issues.
subshakerz
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Murali got smashed early and late career IMO. Warne got smashed in his prime in 98.
subshakerz
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Murali in 95 was too early. In 2007 he wasn't smashed, just neutralised.
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He was clearly unfit, cam give him a bit of a pass there.
Warne's series in 01 in India was rotten statistically ( averaged 50+) but with the context it's up there as one of the ATG bad ones. Especially his performance in the decider at Chennai where the rest of the aussie attack bowled brilliantly to try and restrict India in a small run chase. Even Colin miller comprehensively out bowled him and picked up crucial wickets in that game when Warne was going at 6 rpo.
It's a sorry looking scorecard. Legit think if Australia had just given the Warne overs to Miller in that innings, they win that series.
subshakerz
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Yeah in hindsight the 2001 series seems worse than 1998.
98 was his first time in India and he was facing prime Tendulkar and Sidhu without pace support. 2001 doesn't have excuses. Couldn't help bowl out India in Kolkotta on a Day 4 pitch.
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Kolkata and Chennai pitches both had started to turn by day 4. And again, as I said, Colin Miller and hell, even Tendulkar, had bigger impact in their spells in those games.
subshakerz
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In terms of pacers, the worst I have seen an ATG pacer reduced to was Ambrose in Pakistan in 97, just toyed with, took one wicket and was useless while Wasim and Walsh were carving wickets.
Donald was pretty bad against Aus at home in 96, destroyed by Waugh and Blewett in the 1st test and on a spicy 2nd test wicket, only took one scalp and allowed Aus to chase 271 when they had no rights to. Came good in the last test when too late.
Akram was bad in WI in 93, mainly because of offfield captaincy team issues. He was quite poor in Aus in 99 when his pace had left and he couldn't get penetration.
Lille had the famous 80 Pak poor series on pitches designed to nullify him and Imran had a similar series in 87 in India, four dead pitches and a spin haven in five tests.
I can't recall Marshall, Hadlee or McGrath being outright poor though in their primes. Maybe McGrath at home vs NZ or SA?
Donald was pretty bad against Aus at home in 96, destroyed by Waugh and Blewett in the 1st test and on a spicy 2nd test wicket, only took one scalp and allowed Aus to chase 271 when they had no rights to. Came good in the last test when too late.
Akram was bad in WI in 93, mainly because of offfield captaincy team issues. He was quite poor in Aus in 99 when his pace had left and he couldn't get penetration.
Lille had the famous 80 Pak poor series on pitches designed to nullify him and Imran had a similar series in 87 in India, four dead pitches and a spin haven in five tests.
I can't recall Marshall, Hadlee or McGrath being outright poor though in their primes. Maybe McGrath at home vs NZ or SA?
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Yeah McGrath's 2001 series v NZ definitely counts.
As for SA, his 2005/06 series is borderline, had 8 wickets @ 40 which isn't very good. That said, I do think he was slightly past his prime at that point and those wickets were rather flat (if perhaps not more so than the typical Australian wicket between 2001-2018).
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The other thing with Warne 98 and 01 was that Warne had zero support in 1998. It was always the kind of series where things could go wrong. Not the case in 2001 where McGrath dominated and Gillespie was really good too.
I do suppose that Warne did miss the whole Australian summer with injury, but given his next series he dominated.....
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Mcgrath had a couple of very dry series vs SA /NZ in his prime where he averaged 40+. Had a bad tour of wi in 03 too (averaged 50+).
Going through Steyn's record and he doesn't seem to have any truly bad series from 2006 until very late into his career. Only statistically poor one is the 2010 series in uae where he averaged 46 but I do remember this series having some truly awful roads. Almost every other series in his peak he seems to have atleast one significant spell.
subshakerz
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Steyn's worst series to me was against Aus at home in 2009. In the first two tests for the most part he bowled short wide filth on bowling friendly wickets and was a key reason they lost. No way should guys like North and Hughes be able to score hundreds for fun or Australia easily get 400 plus.
Yeah he did well the last test but SA had lost by then.