sayon basak
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Who is the better cricketer between Pat Cummins and a certain cult leader?
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Pat Cummins vs Ravindra Jadeja
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SillyCowCorner1
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Just tests or overall?
| Opposition team India |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player RA Jadeja (IND) |
| Totals in terms of batting team |
| Ordered by win/loss ratio (descending) |
| Team | Span | Mat | Won | Lost | Tied | Draw | W/L | Ave | RPO | Inns | HS | LS | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| New Zealand | 2014-2021 | 8 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1.000 | 28.50 | 2.94 | 16 | 680 | 105 |  |
| England | 2012-2024 | 20 | 6 | 10 | 0 | 4 | 0.600 | 33.23 | 3.16 | 37 | 569 | 120 | |
| Australia | 2013-2023 | 17 | 3 | 10 | 0 | 4 | 0.300 | 26.97 | 2.83 | 34 | 480 | 91 | |
| South Africa | 2013-2024 | 9 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0.142 | 20.03 | 2.71 | 17 | 500 | 55 | |
| Afghanistan | 2018-2018 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 10.60 | 3.18 | 2 | 109 | 103 | |
| Bangladesh | 2017-2019 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 22.06 | 3.04 | 6 | 388 | 106 | |
| Sri Lanka | 2017-2022 | 7 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 0.000 | 24.69 | 3.12 | 14 | 386 | 109 | |
| West Indies | 2016-2023 | 7 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0.000 | 18.24 | 2.77 | 14 | 311 | 100 | |
| Opposition team Australia |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player PJ Cummins (AUS) |
| Totals in terms of batting team |
| Ordered by win/loss ratio (descending) |
| Team | Span | Mat | Won | Lost | Tied | Draw | W/L | Ave | RPO | Inns | HS | LS | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| India | 2017-2023 | 13 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 2.333 | 33.79 | 2.98 | 23 | 622 | 36 | |
| Bangladesh | 2017-2017 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | 23.57 | 2.74 | 4 | 305 | 157 | |
| South Africa | 2011-2023 | 8 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0.750 | 28.66 | 3.14 | 16 | 488 | 99 | |
| West Indies | 2022-2024 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0.500 | 24.20 | 2.93 | 6 | 333 | 120 | |
| England | 2017-2023 | 19 | 4 | 11 | 0 | 4 | 0.363 | 28.33 | 3.37 | 36 | 592 | 67 | |
| Sri Lanka | 2019-2022 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0.333 | 22.44 | 3.11 | 7 | 554 | 113 | |
| New Zealand | 2019-2024 | 5 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 20.67 | 3.10 | 10 | 372 | 136 | |
| Pakistan | 2019-2024 | 8 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 0.000 | 29.97 | 2.99 | 16 | 476 | 89 | |
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Cummins. Could end up ATG
These two will both be ATGs, don't let some hacks here fool you.
Coronis
International Coach
This may be the most useless thing posted re: the context its been posted in.Just tests or overall?
Opposition team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 Involving the player RA Jadeja (IND) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by win/loss ratio (descending)
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS New Zealand 2014-2021 8 3 3 0 2 1.000 28.50 2.94 16 680 105 England 2012-2024 20 6 10 0 4 0.600 33.23 3.16 37 569 120 Australia 2013-2023 17 3 10 0 4 0.300 26.97 2.83 34 480 91 South Africa 2013-2024 9 1 7 0 1 0.142 20.03 2.71 17 500 55 Afghanistan 2018-2018 1 0 1 0 0 0.000 10.60 3.18 2 109 103 Bangladesh 2017-2019 3 0 3 0 0 0.000 22.06 3.04 6 388 106 Sri Lanka 2017-2022 7 0 5 0 2 0.000 24.69 3.12 14 386 109 West Indies 2016-2023 7 0 6 0 1 0.000 18.24 2.77 14 311 100
Opposition team Australia Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 Involving the player PJ Cummins (AUS) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by win/loss ratio (descending)
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2017-2023 13 7 3 0 3 2.333 33.79 2.98 23 622 36 Bangladesh 2017-2017 2 1 1 0 0 1.000 23.57 2.74 4 305 157 South Africa 2011-2023 8 3 4 0 1 0.750 28.66 3.14 16 488 99 West Indies 2022-2024 3 1 2 0 0 0.500 24.20 2.93 6 333 120 England 2017-2023 19 4 11 0 4 0.363 28.33 3.37 36 592 67 Sri Lanka 2019-2022 4 1 3 0 0 0.333 22.44 3.11 7 554 113 New Zealand 2019-2024 5 0 5 0 0 0.000 20.67 3.10 10 372 136 Pakistan 2019-2024 8 0 6 0 2 0.000 29.97 2.99 16 476 89
subshakerz
International Coach
Cummins.
the big bambino
International Captain
Finally a thread where Jadeja isn't the answer.
What the heck are you talking about? I prefaced that clearly with the point about tests! Jadeja is the better test player as of now - also because he's an A/R but Cummins is the better 3 format player overall. Stop riding on the Cummins wave all the time
Coronis
International Coach
Their teams win/loss ratio has nothing to do with this mate.What the heck are you talking about? I prefaced that clearly with the point about tests! Jadeja is the better test player as of now - also because he's an A/R but Cummins is the better 3 format player overall. Stop riding on the Cummins wave all the time
Their performances matter in those games, that's why I highlighted the one player. This is all games with Jadeja vs Oz in Oz -
One of the reason why I rate Jadeja so highly. This is Cummins vs Ind in Ind -
And you really wanna see a shocker -
India's best weapon at home! Jadeja's really underrated in terms of impact, although tbf his bowling has gone down a bit after the injury on Oz away tour 2021 or so.
| Primary team Australia |
| Opposition team India |
| Home or away home venue |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player RA Jadeja (IND) |
| Totals in terms of batting team |
| Ordered by matches lost (descending) |
One of the reason why I rate Jadeja so highly. This is Cummins vs Ind in Ind -
| Primary team Australia |
| Opposition team India |
| Home or away away (home of opposition) |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player PJ Cummins (AUS) |
| Totals in terms of batting team |
| Ordered by matches lost (descending) |
And you really wanna see a shocker -
| Opposition team India |
| Home or away away (home of opposition) |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player Mohammed Shami (IND) |
| Totals in terms of batting team |
| Ordered by matches played (descending) |
| Team | Span | Mat | Won | Lost | Tied | Draw | W/L | Ave | RPO | Inns | HS | LS | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sri Lanka | 2017-2022 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0.000 | 23.75 | 3.00 | 8 | 373 | 109 | |
| Australia | 2023-2023 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0.000 | 24.98 | 2.87 | 6 | 480 | 91 | |
| England | 2016-2016 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0.000 | 32.62 | 2.79 | 6 | 537 | 158 | |
| New Zealand | 2016-2016 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 22.51 | 2.98 | 6 | 299 | 153 | |
| South Africa | 2019-2019 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 23.01 | 2.92 | 6 | 431 | 133 | |
| West Indies | 2013-2018 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 19.13 | 3.44 | 6 | 234 | 168 | |
| Bangladesh | 2019-2019 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 17.02 | 3.32 | 4 | 213 | 106 | |
India's best weapon at home! Jadeja's really underrated in terms of impact, although tbf his bowling has gone down a bit after the injury on Oz away tour 2021 or so.
Coronis
International Coach
Again you’re literally comparing the whole team rather than the individual players.Their performances matter in those games, that's why I highlighted the one player. This is all games with Jadeja vs Oz in Oz -
Primary team Australia Opposition team India Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 Involving the player RA Jadeja (IND) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches lost (descending)
One of the reason why I rate Jadeja so highly. This is Cummins vs Ind in Ind -
Primary team Australia Opposition team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 Involving the player PJ Cummins (AUS) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches lost (descending)
And you really wanna see a shocker -
Opposition team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 Involving the player Mohammed Shami (IND) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches played (descending)
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS Sri Lanka 2017-2022 4 0 2 0 2 0.000 23.75 3.00 8 373 109 Australia 2023-2023 3 0 2 0 1 0.000 24.98 2.87 6 480 91 England 2016-2016 3 0 2 0 1 0.000 32.62 2.79 6 537 158 New Zealand 2016-2016 3 0 3 0 0 0.000 22.51 2.98 6 299 153 South Africa 2019-2019 3 0 3 0 0 0.000 23.01 2.92 6 431 133 West Indies 2013-2018 3 0 3 0 0 0.000 19.13 3.44 6 234 168 Bangladesh 2019-2019 2 0 2 0 0 0.000 17.02 3.32 4 213 106
India's best weapon at home! Jadeja's really underrated in terms of impact, although tbf his bowling has gone down a bit after the injury on Oz away tour 2021 or so.
Its like if you tried to say Ponting was better than Tendulkar because Australia had a better record with Ponting than Tendulkar did with India.
To which I'll say you're being intentionally obtuse -
Jadeja as a bowler has done better in Oz than Cummins In India -
The good thing for Cummins of course is that he's at or near his peak & so he should be able to bridge that gap. Overall Cummins is better, across formats, but Jadeja has a lot of useful contributions in tests abroad as well. More so than Cummins IMO, but again Jadeja is past his peak so we should see a decline in his bowling at least.
| Primary team Australia or India |
| Opposition team Australia or India |
| Host country Australia |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player RA Jadeja (IND) |
| Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10 |
| Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
| Player | Span | Mat | Inns | Overs | Mdns | Runs | Wkts | BBI | BBM | Ave | Econ | SR | 5 | 10 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| JJ Bumrah (IND) | 2018-2021 | 4 | 8 | 147.3 | 34 | 394 | 19 | 6/33 | 9/86 | 20.73 | 2.67 | 46.5 | 1 | 0 | |
| RA Jadeja (IND) | 2018-2021 | 4 | 6 | 126.3 | 34 | 305 | 14 | 4/62 | 5/127 | 21.78 | 2.41 | 54.2 | 0 | 0 | |
| PJ Cummins (AUS) | 2018-2021 | 4 | 7 | 152.4 | 43 | 403 | 17 | 6/27 | 9/99 | 23.70 | 2.63 | 53.8 | 1 | 0 | |
| JR Hazlewood (AUS) | 2018-2021 | 4 | 7 | 150.1 | 53 | 356 | 10 | 2/22 | 4/82 | 35.60 | 2.37 | 90.1 | 0 | 0 | |
| NM Lyon (AUS) | 2018-2021 | 4 | 7 | 225.2 | 45 | 606 | 10 | 4/178 | 4/178 | 60.60 | 2.68 | 135.2 | 0 | 0 | |
Jadeja as a bowler has done better in Oz than Cummins In India -
| Primary team Australia or India |
| Opposition team Australia or India |
| Host country India |
| Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 |
| Involving the player PJ Cummins (AUS) |
| Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10 |
| Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
| Player | Span | Mat | Inns | Overs | Mdns | Runs | Wkts | BBI | BBM | Ave | Econ | SR | 5 | 10 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RA Jadeja (IND) | 2017-2023 | 4 | 8 | 193.4 | 48 | 450 | 30 | 7/42 | 10/110 | 15.00 | 2.32 | 38.7 | 3 | 1 | |
| T Murphy (AUS) | 2023-2023 | 2 | 3 | 71.4 | 16 | 199 | 10 | 7/124 | 7/124 | 19.90 | 2.77 | 43.0 | 1 | 0 | |
| R Ashwin (IND) | 2017-2023 | 4 | 8 | 165.4 | 33 | 463 | 20 | 5/37 | 8/79 | 23.15 | 2.79 | 49.7 | 1 | 0 | |
| PJ Cummins (AUS) | 2017-2023 | 4 | 5 | 110.3 | 25 | 361 | 11 | 4/106 | 4/106 | 32.81 | 3.26 | 60.2 | 0 | 0 | |
| NM Lyon (AUS) | 2017-2023 | 4 | 6 | 175.1 | 28 | 516 | 14 | 5/67 | 7/116 | 36.85 | 2.94 | 75.0 | 2 | 0 | |
The good thing for Cummins of course is that he's at or near his peak & so he should be able to bridge that gap. Overall Cummins is better, across formats, but Jadeja has a lot of useful contributions in tests abroad as well. More so than Cummins IMO, but again Jadeja is past his peak so we should see a decline in his bowling at least.
If you're saying that India has had a better test team than Oz over the last 10-12 years, resulting in more wins, then sure that's absolutely fine. I won't discount the impact of the rest of the 10 players on overall results.
ImpatientLime
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looks like he's about to go and pitch his ad services to Lucky Strike before smashing multiple old fashioneds and the receptionist at midday.
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For sure, Don Draper vibes outta that fit.