I will concede Laker is poor in SA if you concede Ashwin is poor, or at least below average, in England.He was outright horrible in SA with context. And judging spinners 1 O 1 with average is a horrible process, especially in less helpful places. Kumble is the best touring spinner in Australia, he averages 34 there.
Seriously? Averaging 50 with the ball and less than 2WPM? You're defending that?Ashwin is faaar from far worse in SA. By context, I will take Ashwin's record there over Laker's. If you think Ashwin in England=Laker in SA, you're just going purely by averages. And definitely Ashwin didn't played much weaker batting lineups, that just falls. If you're talking about WI, then the reverse is truer for SA.
Sorry, Ashwin's home pitches neutralise this argument.Laker is a bigger spin track bully, who rallished in wet pitches.
Exactly. Laker thrived on sticky pitches and green tops. Ashwin has performed on far fairer wickets at home, out of which extreme dust bowls are very rare.He was outright horrible in SA with context. And judging spinners 1 O 1 with average is a horrible process, especially in less helpful places. Kumble is the best touring spinner in Australia, he averages 34 there.
Ashwin is faaar from far worse in SA. By context, I will take Ashwin's record there over Laker's. If you think Ashwin in England=Laker in SA, you're just going purely by averages. And definitely Ashwin didn't played much weaker batting lineups, that just falls. If you're talking about WI, then the reverse is truer for SA.
Laker is a bigger spin track bully, who rallished in wet pitches.
Lol what double standards man.Laker isn’t better away cause his only good record away is Australia which is below 5 matches and it’s not like he set the world on fire to consider it seriously. He was bad in SA and WI. Ashwin was good in WI outside home and it’s not like conditions are uniformly identical in the SC. Further Ashwin is decent in England, and he is better at home cause of his insane WPM despite competition, performance against a broader range of oppositions, and insane SR for a spinner. Laker’s away record is in inconsequential.
Indian batters can make runs at home, unlike wet pitch bullies.Sorry, Ashwin's home pitches neutralise this argument.
Ashwin’s home pitches are not sticky wickets. The extreme dust bowls are very rare, cause so many Indian batsmen are harbouring amazing records at homeI will concede Laker is poor in SA if you concede Ashwin is poor, or at least below average, in England.
Seriously? Averaging 50 with the ball and less than 2WPM? You're defending that?
In WI, Laker faced a strong lineup and ended up with respectable figures.
Sorry, Ashwin's home pitches neutralise this argument.
Anways Laker barely has a record outside home. He hasn’t even played 5 matches in Australia and it’s not his series there was Lara in SL or anything close so once can specially consider it. He was mediocre outside thatLol what double standards man.
Ok but Ashwin is bowling at non-Indians.Indian batters can make runs at home, unlike wet pitch bullies.
They are common enough to affect his record, and that of touring spinners who have also done tremendously well.Ashwin’s home pitches are not sticky wickets. The extreme dust bowls are very rare, cause so many Indian batsmen are harbouring amazing records at home
See Kohli is a reasonably good player of spin, but he averages 60 at home. He’s not that good to average that high vs spin on dust bowls. So while there have been spin friendly wickets at home for Ashwin, nothing extreme.Ok but Ashwin is bowling at non-Indians.
Sorry, its obvious you all are being extra harsh towards Laker and extra lenient towards Ashwin. Why? I have never seen you defend a bowler averaging over 40 in a country except to say he failed.Anways Laker barely has a record outside home. He hasn’t even played 5 matches in Australia and it’s not his series there was Lara in SL or anything close so once can specially consider it. He was mediocre outside that
Let's not go into this side-tangent pls. You know we will debate forever on it and its a minor point.See Kohli is a reasonably good player of spin, but he averages 60 at home. He’s not that good to average that high vs spin on dust bowls. So while there have been spin friendly wickets at home for Ashwin, nothing extreme.
Plenty of series like 2016 Ind vs Eng where runs were scored for fun and Ashwin picked 26 or more wickets in 5 matches. Even this series vs England, the wickets were not dust bowls by any measure, and he was the highest wicket taker.They are common enough to affect his record, and that of touring spinners who have also done tremendously well.
Fine leave aside that but Laker barely has an away record. He is mediocre in SA and WI, and has barely played matches in Aus.Sorry, its obvious you all are being extra harsh towards Laker and extra lenient towards Ashwin. Why? I have never seen you defend a bowler averaging over 40 in a country except to say he failed.
We are talking an entire decade and on average it has been really spin friendly. Are we going too deny reality?Plenty of series like 2016 Ind vs Eng where runs were scored for fun and Ashwin picked 26 or more wickets in 5 matches. Even this series vs England, the wickets were not dust bowls by any measure, and he was the highest wicket taker.
Ashwin would average 15 or so on the sticky wickets Laker gotLet's not go into this side-tangent pls. You know we will debate forever on it and its a minor point.
Spin friendly sure. I have clearly mentioned that in all posts. But not on the level of the stickies Laker got. I am just giving examples of series where the pitches were pretty fair and Ashwin succeeded nonethelessWe are talking an entire decade and on average it has been really spin friendly. Are we going too deny reality?
SA ok I can concede but his record in WI given the standard of batting was perfectly okay. I am really bothered you made this point.Fine leave aside that but Laker barely has an away record. He is mediocre in SA and WI, and has barely played matches in Aus.
I am on record saying it is incredibly hard to tell the exact degree of friendliness of pitch conditions except to recognize that they are friendly or not. So I dont know how to tell which was more receptive. But Laker averaged better regardless and an SR of 54 for his time was unbelievable.Spin friendly sure. I have clearly mentioned that in all posts. But not on the level of the stickies Laker got
Laker is bowling at non-English.Ok but Ashwin is bowling at non-Indians.
He averaged 30+ in WI. Anyways let’s agree to disagree here as we are repeating our pointsSA ok I can concede but his record in WI given the standard of batting was perfectly okay. I am really bothered you made this point.