Wasim Akram among his peers

[subshakerz]

Still have to take the wickets. You do know Wasim had a pretty decent batting lineup as well.

Dude, please tell me you didn't just compare the greatest batting lineup in history with Pakistan's talented but combustible unit. I almost vomited in my mouth.

Of course you still have to take wickets. But it is much easier when your opposition is regularly staring down 450-500 runs after being two days in the field.

If you want to use catching, fine, but Wasim wasn't only taught the art of reverse, but how to expedite it. To pretend that also wasn't an advantage to being in the Pakistan team, then you're ignoring reality.

Pretty sure catching is a factor at any stage of the game, you don't have to wait for the ball to get old.

 

[kyear2]

Dude, please tell me you didn't just compare the greatest batting lineup in history with Pakistan's talented but combustible unit. I almost vomited in my mouth.

Of course you still have to take wickets. But it is much easier when your opposition is regularly staring down 450-500 runs after being two days in the field.


Pretty sure catching is a factor at any stage of the game, you don't have to wait for the ball to get old.

I was watching on one of Wasim's greatest match hauls, very first delivery shown was an edge created and dropped.

Must of been frustrating and ridiculous.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I was watching on one of Wasim's greatest match hauls, very first delivery shown was an edge created and dropped.

Must of been frustrating and ridiculous.

reckon his fielders turning the ball into a one-sided chew toy that boomaranged with minimal effort would have made up for it tbf

 

[kyear2]

reckon his fielders turning the ball into a one-sided chew toy that boomaranged with minimal effort would have made up for it tbf

Well tbf I mentioned that earlier as well, and it did take some effort (to get the swing) I would have imagined.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well tbf I mentioned that earlier as well, and it did take some.effirt I would have imagined.

Yeah can't see him getting too upset at his fielders for dropping the odd catch after gifting him with so many wickets

 

[subshakerz]

I was watching on one of Wasim's greatest match hauls, very first delivery shown was an edge created and dropped.

Must of been frustrating and ridiculous.

This one?

 

[subshakerz]

reckon his fielders turning the ball into a one-sided chew toy that boomaranged with minimal effort would have made up for it tbf

The most common tactic was throwing that particular side of the ball on the square as the method to hand it back to Wasim on the way to his mark.

 

[kyear2]

This one?

No, and that's the funny bit...

 

[kyear2]

The stupid part is when you then tell me it's not that important to winning, or similarly pick an AT XI, or any XI for that matter, and don't give a second though to who would be in the slips.

 

[subshakerz]

The stupid part is when you then tell me it's not that important to winning, or similarly pick an AT XI, or any XI for that matter, and don't give a second though to who would be in the slips.

Actually I acknowledged your point, and created an entire thread dedicated to it to calculate the effect on bowlers, but then you threw a hissy fit.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

The stupid part is when you then tell me it's not that important to winning, or similarly pick an AT XI, or any XI for that matter, and don't give a second though to who would be in the slips.

Clever move to introduce the slip fielding element here to corner Subz . You must have been planning this for long, dude

 

[subshakerz]

Clever move to introduce the slip fielding element here to corner Subz . You must have been planning this for long, dude

Lol you haven't been following the slip cordon debate in the other thread? @kyear2 walked away from his own point. He said that yes it has an effect, but there no human way possible for us to account for it, so let's not even go there. No he'll bring it up when convenient.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Lol you haven't been following the slip cordon debate in the other thread? @kyear2 walked away from his own point. He said that yes it has an effect, but there no human way possible for us to account for it, so let's not even go there.

I was joking bro.

 

[subshakerz]

I was joking bro.

Sorry, my bad.

 

[kyear2]

Lol you haven't been following the slip cordon debate in the other thread? @kyear2 walked away from his own point. He said that yes it has an effect, but there no human way possible for us to account for it, so let's not even go there. No he'll bring it up when convenient.

Completely separate issues.

One, as usual you deliberately miss and Gail to address the point.

Two, one can acknowledge an impact without placing an arbitrary number on it. So didn't walk away from anything.

The fact still remains, you've finally recognized how.impeotsnt it is, but still wouldn't consider it in selections.

 

[subshakerz]

Two, one can acknowledge an impact without placing an arbitrary number on it. So didn't walk away from anything.

You did walk away. You stated it's impossible to have an idea of how impactful slips are. You wouldn't even say a broad range of how many catches a great slip would give you. That is tantamount to neutralising your own point.

 

[kyear2]

You did walk away. You stated it's impossible to have an idea of how impactful slips are. You wouldn't even say a broad range of how many catches a great slip would give you. That is tantamount to neutralising your own point.

I'm convinced you just love conflict.

My point isn't a based on if you believe it or not, but considering it's now one of your explanations for Wasim's numbers, I'll take it tat you do. You're also late as @Pap Finn Keighl has been saying it for years.

You still haven't addressed the point of complaining that it hurts Wasim, but would you even factor it in when selecting a team.

Like literally, if you were in charge of your team right now, would you even factor that in?

 

[smash84]

You did walk away. You stated it's impossible to have an idea of how impactful slips are. You wouldn't even say a broad range of how many catches a great slip would give you. That is tantamount to neutralising your own point.

And why does this assume that slip fielders cannot be trained for the job? Fielding is not like batting or bowling. Good systems like those of Aus or SA or Eng will always train for fielding from the school level. A minimum standard of fielding will always be there which is what really matters in 95% of the cases. Which is not the case for batting or bowling. A minimum standard of batting or bowling will get one nowhere, but a minimum fielding standard will get you in if your batting or bowling are special. It is ridiculous to somehow equate fielding to batting or bowling. Worst situation, you can "hide" your awful fielder to positions where there are not many catches coming

Also, It's not like anybody is picked in the side for their slip fielding. I can't recall Mark Waugh being in the slips from day 1. He was always a good fielder though and has taken blinders in all sorts of positions, from slips, to silly mid off, to midwicket. He was a great catcher and could take excellent catches anywhere. Somehow "elite" slip fielding is being positioned as if its some extra skill that otherwise elite fielders can't be trained for.

 

[subshakerz]

My point isn't a based on if you believe it or not, but considering it's now one of your explanations for Wasim's numbers, I'll take it tat you do. You're also late as @Pap Finn Keighl has been saying it for years.

Actually if you don't give an idea how impactful it is, then it is a believe it or not.

Again, you are the poster who was trying to exchange slip catches for runs, you speculate on every single topic yet you hide when asked to speculate about slip catches

You still haven't addressed the point of complaining that it hurts Wasim, but would you even factor it in when selecting a team.

Like literally, if you were in charge of your team right now, would you even factor that in?

I did acknowledge it for Wasim. And yes, I would not pick a team with a poor slip unless the bowling/batting difference is too much.

 

[subshakerz]

And why does this assume that slip fielders cannot be trained for the job? Fielding is not like batting or bowling. Good systems like those of Aus or SA or Eng will always train for fielding from the school level. A minimum standard of fielding will always be there which is what really matters in 95% of the cases. Which is not the case for batting or bowling. A minimum standard of batting or bowling will get one nowhere, but a minimum fielding standard will get you in if your batting or bowling are special. It is ridiculous to somehow equate fielding to batting or bowling. Worst situation, you can "hide" your awful fielder to positions where there are not many catches coming

Also, It's not like anybody is picked in the side for their slip fielding. I can't recall Mark Waugh being in the slips from day 1. He was always a good fielder though and has taken blinders in all sorts of positions, from slips, to silly mid off, to midwicket. He was a great catcher and could take excellent catches anywhere. Somehow "elite" slip fielding is being positioned as if its some extra skill that otherwise elite fielders can't be trained for.

Good points. The marginal value between a safe fielder and an elite fielder is being exaggerated.