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Heroes of the Heroes

Line and Length

Cricketer Of The Year
Over the next week I will post the results of interviews with players regarding their childhood heroes (batting and bowling) and their idea of the perfect batsman and perfect bowler.
Being an English 1984 publication used as a source, there is a heavy emphasis on English players being interviewed. I have, therefore, selected non English players whenever they were available.
I will group the contributors according to their category, starting today with openers. The following days will feature middle order batsmen, all-rounders. wicket-keepers, spinners and fast bowlers. I will aim to have 3 or 4 players interviewed in each category.

LEN HUTTON
My Childhood Batting Hero:
Jack Hobbs and Herbert Sutcliffe. Hobbs made everything seem so simple yet was a classical player. Sutcliffe was my Yorkshire hero.
My Childhood Bowling Hero: Wilfred Rhodes. He could bemuse the best batsmen with his subtle left-arm spin and flight. He would have walked into any team on his bowling alone but was also one of the best batsmen of his era.
My Idea of the Perfect Batsman: Walter Hammond - and I speak with the advantage of often having been at the other end watching him in smooth, elegant action.
My Idea of the Perfect Bowler: The two that I select from the many I was lucky to play with and against are Hedley Verity and Keith Miller. Both were as near perfect as you can get, not only with their ability but also their approach to the game.

SUNIL GAVASKAR
My Childhood Hero:
Only batsmen took my eye as a youngster. It never occurred to me to take too much notice of the bowlers. One player stood out for me above all others and that was Rohan Kanhai. He scored 538 in 5 Tests in the 1958/59 series including a splendid 256 at Calcutta. From then on I was a Rohan Kanhai fan.
My Idea of the Perfect Batsman: I must stick with my boyhood hero, Rohan Kanhai. I had the pleasure of playing against him in the 70/71 Test series in the West Indies when I made my debut for India. He had real class and could dominate any attack.
My Idea of the Perfect Bowler: Bishen Singh Bedi, India's master of slow left-arm orthodox bowling, is the cricketing genius that comes nearest to that description of being perfect. He had a smooth, easy run-up, a lovely action and follow-through and all the guile in the world.

GRAHAM GOOCH
My Childhood Batting Hero:
Keith Fletcher. I always looked forward to seeing him bat for Essex. He was a player of the highest quality and now that I have the pleasure of playing under him at Essex I can vouch for the fact that he is maintaining that standard. With Keith, team priorities always came first.
My Childhood Bowling Hero: Fred Trueman. He was a real character and one of the great fast bowlers who had the ability to swing the ball at high speed. To my eyes he looked a giant out there on the field.
My Idea of the Perfect Batsman: Barry Richards is without question the best batsman I've played against. He had all the shots and made batting look easy. His timing was perfect and he had power and precision all round the wicket.
My Idea of the Perfect Bowler: Mike Procter, who was a truly aggressive fast bowler with the ability to bowl devastating in-swingers from around the wicket. He was deadly accurate as well and on a fast wicket he was almost unplayable.

Tomorrow: Middle order batsmen. I hope you enjoy this thread and feel free to comment at any stage.
 
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Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Not heard of Keith Fletcher tbh but will check him out.

Solid lists.
Essex stalwart/skipper and England coach in the 90's.....he was significantly more successful in his former role than the latter, but then he didn't exactly have a lot to work with.
 

Qlder

International Debutant
LEN HUTTON
My Idea of the Perfect Bowler:
The two that I select from the many I was lucky to play with and against are Hedley Verity and Keith Miller. Both were as near perfect as you can get, not only with their ability but also their approach to the game.
How much more praise can you get than as fine a batsman as Len Hutton rating Miller so highly as a bowler. I hope some people take note as I think Miller is often underated as a bowler on here purely because he was an allrounder batting top 5
 
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capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
How much more praise can you get than Len Hutton rating Miller so highly as a bowler. I hope some people take note as I think Miller is often underated as a bowler on here purely because he was an allrounder batting top 5
I think same kinda applies to Wilfred Rhodes as well. ****ing stupid longevity, and his bowling stats takes a hit due to playing a decent part as an opening batsman who was more of a part time bowler..... Imo, not much less as a bowler than Verity and Underwood.
 

kyear2

International Coach
GRAHAM GOOCH

My Idea of the Perfect Batsman:
Barry Richards is without question the best batsman I've played against. He had all the shots and made batting look easy. His timing was perfect and he had power and precision all round the wicket.
How much better can it get than Graham Gooch grading Barry as the perfect batsman. The guys peer ratings was through the roof.
 

Coronis

International Coach
How much better can it get than Graham Gooch grading Barry as the perfect batsman. The guys peer ratings was through the roof.
Oh my, what a shocking post. You’ll notice how Hutton’s idea of a perfect batsman was Hammond, rather than Bradman, and Miller rather than Lindwall when the two are objectively better. Peer ratings should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyway I like this thread concept - I love hearing players or writers talking about past players tbh.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Oh my, what a shocking post. You’ll notice how Hutton’s idea of a perfect batsman was Hammond, rather than Bradman, and Miller rather than Lindwall when the two are objectively better. Peer ratings should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyway I like this thread concept - I love hearing players or writers talking about past players tbh.
Some of your posts really makes me question that part.....
 

kyear2

International Coach
Oh my, what a shocking post. You’ll notice how Hutton’s idea of a perfect batsman was Hammond, rather than Bradman, and Miller rather than Lindwall when the two are objectively better. Peer ratings should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyway I like this thread concept - I love hearing players or writers talking about past players tbh.
That was my point & in response to the post about Miller.

Even phrased similarly... Sigh
 

kyear2

International Coach
I love the actual stories. I don’t base my ratings based on stories and it irks me when others do.
I think it has to factor in a little. The starguru generation and especially yourself dismiss guys like Lille, the two Richards and all of us a little, Wasim.

But peer ratings that high has to mean there's something there. There has to be a reason Wasim made the Cricinfo and Wisden teams.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
I think it has to factor in a little. The starguru generation and especially yourself dismiss guys like Lille, the two Richards and all of us a little, Wasim.

But peer ratings that high has to mean there's something there. There has to be a reason Wasim made the Cricinfo and Wisden teams.
First off, the statguru generation sounds extremely cringe, especially from someone who himself is probably among the top 10 stats digger here.
And next, Barry Richards have a HUGELY different scenario than Viv, Lillee or Akram. Someone not rating Barry for his lack of showings in International arena is totally justified, much more so than someone not rating all Pre War cricketers.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
First off, the statguru generation sounds extremely cringe, especially from someone who himself is probably among the top 10 stats digger here.
And next, Barry Richards have a HUGELY different scenario than Viv, Lillee or Akram. Someone not rating Barry for his lack of showings in International arena is totally justified, much more so than someone not rating all Pre War cricketers.
Would you rate Barry Richards or Gambhir higher?
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Would you rate Barry Richards or Gambhir higher?
Ohhh, I rate Barry Richards very highly. Defo Top 25 of All Time for me. As batsmen, it's really not a comparison. But if it's Test only (which I normally don't do, I generally rate on batsmanship and to do that I have to take their FC runs in consideration as well) then I will have to rate even Yashasvi Jaiswal higher.
 

kyear2

International Coach
First off, the statguru generation sounds extremely cringe, especially from someone who himself is probably among the top 10 stats digger here.
And next, Barry Richards have a HUGELY different scenario than Viv, Lillee or Akram. Someone not rating Barry for his lack of showings in International arena is totally justified, much more so than someone not rating all Pre War cricketers.
I don't rate pre war cricketers along with modern players because of how much the have changed. When you're going rating all time there has to be a cut off at some point. You chose the over arm era, I prefer somewhere between the end of the 1st war and the lbw rule change. One cut off time is not better or worse than the other, just different.

Barry is Barry, but quite frankly if he's eligible for a 5th team, or SA's team you're eligible for a 1st or all time one.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't rate pre war cricketers along with modern players because of how much the have changed. When you're going rating all time there has to be a cut off at some point. You chose the over arm era, I prefer somewhere between the end of the 1st war and the lbw rule change. One cut off time is not better or worse than the other, just different.

Barry is Barry, but quite frankly if he's eligible for a 5th team, or SA's team you're eligible for a 1st or all time one.
I mean, that can be said about pre War players as well..... If Grace makes the English 6th team, why not the first?
 

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