Gavaskar Vs Murali Vs Kapil Dev

[Pap Finn Keighl]

There is only 2 cricketers in the history of game, managed a double of at least thirty 50+ scores and thirty 4fers.

Kapil Dev and Ian Botham.
50s - Botham 36, Kapil 35
4fers - Botham 44, Kapil 40

 

[kyear2]

He is. That’s not how you build a cricket team though. That’s also why Imran doesn’t make all the ATXIs despite being a consensus top 4 test player of all time.


@kyear2 @subshakerz do not respond to this post. There is nothing here favouring either of your arguments. This is about Kallis. Just shut it.

I will respond, but not here and not now. It's also something I've noticed and saw further evidence of tonight, and it makes no sense.

So would argue on the consensus.

And you can't dictate anyone to shut anything.

 

[Line and Length]

For all-round cricketing skills across different formats, I rank Kapil Dev well ahead of Gavaskar and Murali whose skills lay in one discipline.

 

[Migara]

Murali easily.
When both test and ODIs combined, Murali a parsec ahead of Kapil and Gavaskar

In 50% or more of test ATG sides Murali is the #1 spinner. In 95% of ATG ODI XIs, Murali is the #1 spinner. Gavaskar competes with Hobbs, Hutton, Hayden B. Richards for the spot. But to Sunny's credit the gulf between them is minute. In ODIs he is not even discussed. Kapil is not even in top 5 ARs in tests. In ODIs he has to deal with Watson, Jayasuriya, Pollock, Klusener, Flintoff, Mathews, Yuvra etc.

It is so obvious.

 

[trundler]

It's Murali because he's arguably the greatest match winner ever, not because he makes more arbitrary all time XIs.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Did someone really tried to compare Angelo Matthews as an ODI all rounder to Kapil Dev???

 

[sayon basak]

Did someone really tried to compare Angelo Matthews as an ODI all rounder to Kapil Dev???

I was going to say this. Mathews is Sri Lankan so ....

 

[Migara]

Did someone really tried to compare Angelo Matthews as an ODI all rounder to Kapil Dev???

Forget Mathews (who is a better ODI bat than Kapi. FFS he averages 40 with the bat in ODIs). There are enough ODI all rounders who were better than Kapil, but no spinners better than Murali.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Forget Mathews (who is a better ODI bat than Kapi. FFS he averages 40 with the bat in ODIs). There are enough ODI all rounders who were better than Kapil, but no spinners better than Murali.

Yeah, I better forget Matthews because he is a turd as a bowler..... If batting is what we are going with then Sachin is a better all-rounder. In any ways Kapil is at worst a top 5 ODI all-rounder (top 2 for me); but yeah, I would keep Murali the ODI bowler ahead.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Forget Mathews (who is a better ODI bat than Kapi. FFS he averages 40 with the bat in ODIs). There are enough ODI all rounders who were better than Kapil, but no spinners better than Murali.

Kapil - Greatest ODI Allrounder
Murali - 2nd Greatest ODI Spinner after Saqlain. ( and Saqlain is not even among Top 5 ODI Bowlers)

 

[Migara]

Kapil - Greatest ODI Allrounder
Murali - 2nd Greatest ODI Spinner after Saqlain. ( and Saqlain is not even among Top 5 ODI Bowlers)

Pollock, Jayasuriya, Hadlee, Klusener all are more impactful than Kapil even with their primary skill.

Murali is the greatest ODI spinner and 2nd best ODI bowler after McGrath. At least that is what statistical analysis says. Never mind about subjective drivel.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Pollock, Jayasuriya, Hadlee, Klusener all are more impactful than Kapil even with their primary skill.

Murali is the greatest ODI spinner and 2nd best ODI bowler after McGrath. At least that is what statistical analysis says. Never mind about subjective drivel.

Yeah, those 4 are more impactful MOSTLY with their primary skills.... None of their secondary skills are close. And if you think those 4 are ahead on their primary against Kapil's allrounder ability; you're underrating Kapil quite much.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Pollock, Jayasuriya, Hadlee, Klusener all are more impactful than Kapil even with their primary skill.

Murali is the greatest ODI spinner and 2nd best ODI bowler after McGrath. At least that is what statistical analysis says. Never mind about subjective drivel.

Admit it or not, Srilanka would have been a far better ODI team with Donald / Saqlain instead of Murali. (Not talking about Longevity )

 

[Bolo.]

Yeah, those 4 are more impactful MOSTLY with their primary skills.... None of their secondary skills are close. And if you think those 4 are ahead on their primary against Kapil's allrounder ability; you're underrating Kapil quite much.

You are saying Klusener's primary was batting, ya? He was a basically a full time bowler and a late overs bat... just happened to be much better at his secondary.

Anyway, I reckon his bowling is ahead of Kapil's batting. Role and quality are what you would expect from a weak specialist. Would definitely be more likely to be picked as a specialist in a typical side as a bowler than Kapil as a bat. Which doesn't make him better tbf, but doesn't hurt his case.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You are saying Klusener's primary was batting, ya? He was a basically a full time bowler and a late overs bat... just happened to be much better at his secondary.

Anyway, I reckon his bowling is ahead of Kapil's batting. Role and quality are what you would expect from a weak specialist. Would definitely be more likely to be picked as a specialist in a typical side as a bowler than Kapil as a bat. Which doesn't make him better tbf, but doesn't hurt his case.

I know he was a full time bowler/late order bat; but really, his batting was his superior skill. Honestly, I won't really like either Kapil as a specialist bat or Klusner as a specialist bowler but I think Kapil's batting is more useful than Klusner's bowling. In an AT ODI XI they are competing for the no 7 spot, so if I have Pollock at 8, I will go Kapil and make my bowling stronger while I will go Klusner if McGrath plays instead of Pollock.

 

[Migara]

Admit it or not, Srilanka would have been a far better ODI team with Donald / Saqlain instead of Murali. (Not talking about Longevity )

SL would have been way better served even with a Aaqib Javed. However Murali is irreplicable.

Even India will drop Kapil Dev in a heartbeat for Donald, because that is what we lack.

 

[ma1978]

Murali > Kapil > Gavaskar (tests). I’d say Kapil or Gavaskar is pretty strong consensus from those who watched cricket in that era

Kapil > Murali > Gavaskar (ODIs)

 

[Bolo.]

I know he was a full time bowler/late order bat; but really, his batting was his superior skill. Honestly, I won't really like either Kapil as a specialist bat or Klusner as a specialist bowler but I think Kapil's batting is more useful than Klusner's bowling. In an AT ODI XI they are competing for the no 7 spot, so if I have Pollock at 8, I will go Kapil and make my bowling stronger while I will go Klusner if McGrath plays instead of Pollock.

I didn't see/don't remember too much of Kapil. Saw enough of Afridi to not be too impressed by the consistency that averaging 24 brings. Handy, and sometimes spectacular at those SRs, but very unreliable.

Klusener as a bowler was vaguely tolerable by specialist standards. Kapil would not be anywhere near this level for me as a bat, but it's unfair to judge him by these standards as it wasn't his role. Klusener was outstanding by 5th bowler standards (although this is arguably more true of Kapil's batting in relation to the average full load bowler).

ATG team calculations are a bit different. Not my preferred way of judging players.

Anyway, I won't argue that Klusener was definitively better in the weaker discipline. I find the case for Kapil to be very reasonable. I do think that stating that Klusener was nowhere near Kapil is pretty wrong though.

 

[sledger]

Well, Murali was certainly better than Rohan Gavaskar at least.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I didn't see/don't remember too much of Kapil. Saw enough of Afridi to not be too impressed by the consistency that averaging 24 brings. Handy, and sometimes spectacular at those SRs, but very unreliable.

Klusener as a bowler was vaguely tolerable by specialist standards. Kapil would not be anywhere near this level for me as a bat, but it's unfair to judge him by these standards as it wasn't his role. Klusener was outstanding by 5th bowler standards (although this is arguably more true of Kapil's batting in relation to the average full load bowler).

ATG team calculations are a bit different. Not my preferred way of judging players.

Anyway, I won't argue that Klusener was definitively better in the weaker discipline. I find the case for Kapil to be very reasonable. I do think that stating that Klusener was nowhere near Kapil is pretty wrong though.

I missed all of Kapil's and most of Afridi's careers, but believe most people don't really have a huge problem with Kapil's consistency with the bat, unlike Afridi. One argument definitely is he played in an earlier, lower scoring era so a 23 avg was more tolerable as was a 95 SR valuable. Also, Afridi opened plenty, Dev batted almost solely down the order. And according to my father atleast (not like he himself watched Kapil's whole career), he was better than a number of other Indian bats of his time, if not all but Azhar. I mean, Srikkanth was India's one of the main ODI batsman and he averaged 28 odd. Kapil also had a number of klutch performances, like the 175. Again, it's not really clear cut and thier values will vary from team to team.