complete BS. Jansher Khan a lot closer to Jahangir than anyone was to Bradman.
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Don Bradman vs Garry Sobers
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Imo, in any major sport, the biggest competitor of Don is probably Wayne Gretzky.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Dhyan Chand
Michael Phelps
Michael Phelps
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Balbir Singh Sr is probably closer to Dhyan Chand than anyone to Don.... Hard to judge really.
Phelps was as dominant as anyone.
mario Lemieux was a contemporary and every bit as good as Wayne Gretzky
plenty of swimmers closer to Phelps than anyone to the done
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Doesn't WG Grace has a pretty good shout to be more influential and dominant than Don? And he was also a proper allrounder with the 10th most wickets in FC.
Coronis
International Coach
You got that the wrong way around mate.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Yep, Bradman’s SR was supposed to be around 70 I think. Much higher than Sobers
Coronis
International Coach
61*
Yeah its like if you said Kallis is more aggressive than Ponting cos he hit more sixes, similar case.
Just for some relativity, 20 quality batsmen and their SRs.
Richards 69.0
Bradman 61.0
Lara 60.51
Ponting 58.72
Pollock 56
Sangakkara 54.19
Tendulkar 54.0
Smith 53.50
Sobers 52
Hobbs 51
Chappell 51
Waugh 48.64
Kallis 45.97
Hammond 45.2
Gavaskar 45
Headley 44.0
Border 41.0
Barrington 41.1
Hutton 38.3
Sutcliffe 37.3
And then you have more extreme cases of quality batsmen like Gilly and Sehwag at 82, vs Boycott at 35 and Mitchell at 31.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Most of all, I really want to know that if @kyear2 thinks Don and Sobers are like Tendulkar and Richards; then how come he still believe that George Headley, someone who played in the same era and less than 20 matches and some of them against a B English team and averages 4 runs more than Sobers but is still an ATG and Sachin won't be a big upgrade on him and he is definitely better than Waqar...... I mean, HOW!???
smash84
The Tiger King
Stop asking such questions (or don't) because you know you will never get a straight answer.
kyear2
International Coach
I think Don is the best, there's no argument there.
Then the best after Bradman for me are all equal
Tendulkar / Sobers / Richards / Hobbs
Will try to answer this as best as I can, just got in from tennis and exhausted.
1. I don't have Headley super high, but as I do for Hammond and the rest I listen to what Grimmett and others had to say about Headley, and that he was special.
2. The question arises, if Bradman is down graded and was twice as good as his contemporaries, what happens to them.
The problem when you have only 2 competitive teams and only one great bowling attack, the playing field isn't even. Hammond and co had to contend with O'Reilly, Grimmett etc. literally the two best bowlers and quite frankly only true ATG bowlers of the time, they happened to be on The Don's team. He also basically played in 2 countries.
Conversely Headley played in Australia and England, with a minnow level team and support, he never got to cash in on the minnows and only faced teams considerably better than his.
The Sachin question is idiotic. The question was which ATG would make it into any other teams XI. Someone, possibly @Slifer suggested that we wouldn't swap George for Sachin, not because he wasn't better, but because it wasn't a weakness. I agreed, it's basically an ATG for an ATG, Headley missed out on the Cricinfo team by a vote. But never suggested he was better than Sachin.
Headley was literally approaching his peak when the war broke out, and it was difficult to have so few opportunities for a batsman over such a period of time. And never in ideal situations.
I hope I've answered your questions.
Coronis
International Coach
O’Reilly may have been the most talented bowler, but England’s overall attack was definitely superior to Australia’s in the interwar period. After Gregory broke down they never had that much outside of Grimmett and O’Reilly.
kyear2
International Coach
Outside of the 3rd best spinner and top 10 bowler and top 5 spinner?
In any event we can agree to disagree.
Coronis
International Coach
Um yes. A bowling attack is more than two people mate, England had far more quality and depth. Just look at the Ashes stats from the 30’s.
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If Australia really had better bowling as well as Bradman, their record would have been far more dominant, see: 1948.
OverratedSanity
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Don't tiptoe around his question in this fashion.
It's simple: You believe that Sobers is somewhat close to Bradman as a batsman. You also believe somehow Headley and Sachin are close enough to be swapped out, essentially ATG for ATG as you said.
The two positions seems completely incompatible because Headley was 40 runs lower on average in the same era as Bradman. Do you believe then that Headley was almost as good as Bradman too?
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subshakerz
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Any question or scenario that follows his train of logic to its logical end he will call 'idiotic'.