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Wasim Akram among his peers

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I have a personal theory about why spreadsheets might not rate him correctly - but I won't mention it here because I know I won't be popular for that (plus I don't have anything concrete to back that theory really ;) ).
You aren't popular anyway, you might as well carry on with that tradition.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
Spreadsheets rate his career correctly. But spreadsheets can't really rate what he was capable of. I'm saying he couldn't really achieve what he was capable of - even though what he achieved undoubtedly makes him an ATG.
fair enough, although i fail to see how this view would make you unpopular. This isn't an unreasonable view to have.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
To me, the biggest drawback about him is the cloud of match-fixing over his head.... At times, and this may not really be fair to him coz he was just so talented, you just felt that he could have bowled better than he actually did, not because he bowled badly but he was capable of bowling so much better, esp. in the late 90s.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Wasim did under-achieve. He should have ended up with over 500 test wickets given his talent.

The reason his career stats dont measure up to his peers is that he had a slower than usual start to his career from 85 to 90 before he became world class, and a slow dip at the end when he lost much of his penetration.

If we evaluated his stats just from the 90s decade, when he was at his peak, it lines up well with his contemporaries.
Cricket Records | Records | 1990s | Test matches | Most wickets | ESPN Cricinfo

If I had to pick a bowler of the 90s, I would be split between Wasim and Ambrose. Here's a list of top class cricketers I know who have rated Wasim as either best or joint best, just from the top of my head:

McGrath, Donald, Atherton, Ambrose, Walsh, Michael Slater, Kapil Dev, Stephen Fleming, Kallis, Ganguly, Mark Taylor, Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, Chris Cairns, and so on.

In the final summary though, I think Wasim suffers in comparison to the elites such as Ambrose, Lillee, Hadlee, Imran, Marshall and McGrath as never quite ran through sides with regularity the way they did. Batsmen often found him so awkward a proposition and focused on just playing him out. A lot of wickets would fall from the other end. Also, Wasim wasnt the best bowler at thinking the batsman out, by his own admission he often didnt know what ball would be coming next. I say this as one of his biggest fans though.

In the end, Wasim's name certainly belongs with the best of the best, based mostly on peer rating, but I would hesitate to put him near the top.
 
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weldone

Hall of Fame Member
fair enough, although i fail to see how this view would make you unpopular. This isn't an unreasonable view to have.
Ya I'd rather let HB be unpopular ;)

To me, the biggest drawback about him is the cloud of match-fixing over his head.... At times, and this may not really be fair to him coz he was just so talented, you just felt that he could have bowled better than he actually did, not because he bowled badly but he was capable of bowling so much better, esp. in the late 90s.
 

number11

State Regular
Akram was a legitimate genius. Few exist in any walk of life: Viv was, Warne was, Akram was and Lara was. In modern times, these are the players I consider geniuses. Wasim has incredible peer view which I regard most highly in rating a player as they have 1st hand experience. He was a true magician. Definitely the greatest LH bowler ever and close to a lock for an AT XI for me.
 
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The_CricketUmpire

U19 Captain
Regarding McGrath I have often seen this criticism that he was slow and bland. I have seen this phrase that you have to see a player in a match ball by ball/live in their era to get a bit of know how regarding them and it holds more for the less flair guys like McGrath or Dravid. McGrath was exceptional. So many times, he would roll over the opposition and the other team would be 70-50 for five on the first morning. Maybe we will start looking at him like Sydney Barnes after 50 years and think lesser of him but I wish this doesn't happen.
Wasim a better bowler than McGrath in my opinion. Wasim more dynamic with the ball than McGrath, for that reason - Wasim in my book is ahead of McGrath. But they are two very very good fast bowlers and all time greats.
 

TheJediBrah

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Sportsmen that have especially noticeable "skills", or are more enigmatic and unique will tend to be overrated by peers and fans alike, it's just human nature. Wasim is definitely not as good as McGrath as a whole but I wouldn't blame people for holding that opinion. I can't imagine too many casual fans, or even less casual fans, watching a McGrath spell, comparing it to Wasim at his best with an old swinging ball, and thinking "McGrath is better"
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Sportsmen that have especially noticeable "skills", or are more enigmatic and unique will tend to be overrated by peers and fans alike, it's just human nature. Wasim is definitely not as good as McGrath as a whole but I wouldn't blame people for holding that opinion. I can't imagine too many casual fans, or even less casual fans, watching a McGrath spell, comparing it to Wasim at his best with an old swinging ball, and thinking "McGrath is better"
Well plenty of bats who faced both rate Wasim as better. Are we really saying they don't know what they're saying.

I may take Wasim at his peak over McGrath though. I may take Wasim on a dead pitch. McGrath just had more longevity than Wasim.
 

PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
Yea not much between McGrath and Akram at their peak. Mcgrath was able to sustain his peak for longer though which is why he’s slightly better.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
No lol

Might go with Wasim on a dead Asian pitch, assuming he gets all the "tools" he had during his career though
If you ask me to choose Wasim 90 to 97 before he got diabetes versus McGrath, I would choose Wasim.

And if you want to talk 'tools' I can talk quality of slip cordons and we can get back into that debate.

But we agree McGrath is better.
 

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