Match #45- Super Eights, England vs South Africa(D), Darren Sammy Cricket Stadium, Saint Lucia-- June 21st- Group 2

[Qlder]

If West Indies beat South Africa in the next game, South Africa will get knocked out of the tournament on NRR!

Not if USA beat England

 

[centurymaker]

WI's big win today makes South Africa's win over England absolutely meaningless!

Even if SA had lost to Eng today, their qualification scenario would be no different than what it is now, which is they MUST beat West Indies.

So I think South Africa really screwed up vs USA (winning by such a small margin). That match alone has turned their game vs WI a virtual QF!

 

[centurymaker]

Not if USA beat England

Not a chance

 

[Qlder]

Not a chance

Would be hilarious though, England knocked out of the World Cup by USA

 

[DriveClub]

WI's big win today makes South Africa's win over England absolutely meaningless!

Even if SA had lost to Eng today, their qualification scenario would be no different than what it is now, which is they MUST beat West Indies.

So I think South Africa really screwed up vs USA (winning by such a small margin). That match alone has turned their game vs WI a virtual QF!

Win against England wasn't entirely meaningless. If they had lost they would have had to win again WI by a big margin to overtake WIs NRR whereas now just a win is enough to progress

 

[centurymaker]

Win against England wasn't entirely meaningless. If they had lost they would have had to win again WI by a big margin to overtake WIs NRR whereas now just a win is enough to progress

NO, thats wrong. NRR doesn't come into it at all.

West Indies are on 1 win. SA would have been on 1 win.

Winner would have moved on to 2 wins. SA winning would have knocked out WI. NRR irrelevant.

So I reiterate that South Africa's win over Engand has become absolutely meaningless!

 

[Gob]

South Africa getting knocked out due to NRR especially after a close game against wi would be such a vintage South African thing

 

[trundler]

If West Indies go on to beat South Africa in the next game, South Africa will get knocked out of the tournament on NRR!

USA Vs England could be a wash out

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

NO, thats wrong. NRR doesn't come into it at all.

West Indies are on 1 win. SA would have been on 1 win.

Winner would have moved on to 2 wins. SA winning would have knocked out WI. NRR irrelevant.

So I reiterate that South Africa's win over Engand has become absolutely meaningless!

Technically if the WI vs SA game was washed out and both were on 1 win each then SA would go through having won 2 games despite WI having better NRR so the win is not meaningless it protects Sa from a potential washout and also a potential washout between England vs USA.

Had SA not beaten England, then England would be through as group winners even if their game vs USA was washed out.

Now if England get a wash out game vs USA and WI beat SA, then England are out instead of SA

 

[centurymaker]

USA Vs England could be a wash out

Let's hope so

But I wouldn't count on it because the drainage facilities here are soooo much better than the USA. Especially in Barbados.

Just need 45 minutes of play time in 6 hours to bowl 5 overs each.

 

[centurymaker]

Technically if the WI vs SA game was washed out and both were on 1 win each then SA would go through having won 2 games despite WI having better NRR so the win is not meaningless it protects Sa from a potential washout and also a potential washout between England vs USA.

Had SA not beaten England, then England would be through as group winners even if their game vs USA was washed out.

Now if England get a wash out game vs USA and WI beat SA, then England are out instead of SA

Yes but realistically both matches will have a result.

Weather looks good for WI v SA, though US v Eng may have the odd shower or two.

So realistically SA still need to beat WI to qualify. Their situation hasn't changed in all likelihood, realistically speaking.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

I didn't really care about the result, I was just hoping for a close entertaining game and we got one.

I would be happy to see England, South Africa or anyone else win this World Cup other than Australia.

Okay but everything SA do wrong cannot automatically be a choke , Baartman bowled brilliantly vs Nepal to win that game , today he slipped up in 1 over it can happen to anyone.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Yes but realistically both matches will have a result.

Weather looks good for WI v SA, though US v Eng may have the odd shower or two.

So realistically SA still need to beat WI to qualify. Their situation hasn't changed in all likelihood, realistically speaking.

Personally I don't think England vs USA is a straightforward match , if the game is shortened due to rain that brings USA into it more.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Yes but realistically both matches will have a result.

Weather looks good for WI v SA, though US v Eng may have the odd shower or two.

So realistically SA still need to beat WI to qualify. Their situation hasn't changed in all likelihood, realistically speaking.

Yes in a normal setting where there is no chance of a washout and England beat the USA as expected, we have to defeat the West Indies. Cricket is a funny game though

 

[Dendarii]

I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I think there's a scenario where the West Indies beat South Africa and England beat the USA but England are the team to miss out. If England win but it's a close game then their NRR will go down, making it possible for South Africa to lose but still have a higher NRR than England. It's unlikely as you'd expect England to have a big win against the USA, but it's not impossible.

 

[Daemon]

Okay but everything SA do wrong cannot automatically be a choke , Baartman bowled brilliantly vs Nepal to win that game , today he slipped up in 1 over it can happen to anyone.

He had figures of 6-1 after 2 overs last night. Just somehow lost his radar, probably because of the pressure.

 

[centurymaker]

I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I think there's a scenario where the West Indies beat South Africa and England beat the USA but England are the team to miss out. If England win but it's a close game then their NRR will go down, making it possible for South Africa to lose but still have a higher NRR than England. It's unlikely as you'd expect England to have a big win against the USA, but it's not impossible.

Yes there's a minute possibility.

The buffer for SA is only 8 runs though.

So for example, if England win by 5 runs, SA can afford to lose by upto like 3 runs.

In such a case, England would get knocked out.

 

[Sunil1z]

England need to win vs USA by 10 runs or chase in 19 overs for their NRR to be above SA .

 

[Burgey]

@Burgey will be crying

Actually, @Burgey was snoring tbh

 

[Burgey]

England playing possum in the group now pulling out the big guns.

Ping @poorlyagedthings