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What is your definition of a match-winning innings?

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Do such innings exist or is it merely just our own terms and there isnt really a distinction between innings as long as the contribute towards victory?

Also, are match-winning innings inherently better than match-saving ones, and if so, is this simply due to match result?
 
Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
An innings that wins a match. This is the only criteria that should apply when judging the value of an innings.

For example, these innings all suck as there respective teams did not win the match, meaning they where meaningless. 1716978616436.png
Meanwhile, an innings commonly toted as the greatest of all time, Rob Quiney heroic 9(12) against the fearsome attack of Steyn-Philander-Morkel-Kallis came in a draw, making it worthless (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-south-africa-1st-test-573007/full-scorecard).

While I may get some flack for saying this, the actual greatest test innings is Matthew Hayden's 380(437) against Zimbabwe (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...lia-vs-zimbabwe-1st-test-64048/full-scorecard) as this is the most runs made in a test match win. For those wondering, big scores across two innings in a win like Smith's 144 and 142 here (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-australia-1st-test-1152846/full-scorecard) do not compare, as Hayden only got to bat once. If Australia batted again, he would have made 380 more runs.
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Nintendo said:
An innings that wins a match. This is the only criteria that should apply when judging the value of an innings.

For example, these innings all suck as there respective teams did not win the match, meaning they where meaningless. View attachment 40372
Meanwhile, an innings commonly toted as the greatest of all time, Rob Quiney heroic 9(12) against the fearsome attack of Steyn-Philander-Morkel-Kallis came in a draw, making it worthless (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-south-africa-1st-test-573007/full-scorecard).

While I may get some flack for saying this, the actual greatest test innings is Matthew Hayden's 380(437) against Zimbabwe (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...lia-vs-zimbabwe-1st-test-64048/full-scorecard) as this is the most runs made in a test match win. For those wondering, big scores across two innings in a win like Smith's 144 and 142 here (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-australia-1st-test-1152846/full-scorecard) do not compare, as Hayden only got to bat once. If Australia batted again, he would have made 380 more runs.
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Disagree. As the Zimbabwean bowlers were disheartened I expect Matty H would have made at least 700 by himself in the 2nd innings.
 
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Qlder

International Debutant
Without a doubt Kim Hughes 100* after coming in at 3-8 (then 4-26, 5-59) vs the mighty Windies pacers Holding, Roberts, Garner and Croft

Boxing Day Test Memorable Moments #11 - Kim Hughes stands up to Windies - Cricket Victoria

Ian Chappell called it the bravest innings he has ever seen.
www.cricketvictoria.com.au www.cricketvictoria.com.au

www.espncricinfo.com

AUS vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Melbourne, December 26 - 30, 1981

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, AUS vs WI, West Indies tour of Australia 1981/82 at Melbourne Cricket Ground dated December 26 - 30, 1981.
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Match winning innings for me are those without which the chances of your teams losing were significantly higher. Likewise, Match saving ones are those which makes a draw much more likely. Inherently, I feel a match winning innings in general are slightly more valuable, due to the match result. Though a great innings can come in a loss as well.
 
Brook's side

Brook's side

International Regular
But for an actual definition, I don't think there is one.

The batsman's team needs to have won.
The batsman needs to have played what was clearly the decisive role (or at least the decisive batting role) in turning the result into a victory from a loss or a draw.

But it isn't an exact science, rather something that can be recognised when it happens.
 
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peterhrt

U19 Vice-Captain
Ten notable fourth innings knocks in one-wicket wins. Number in batting order in brackets.

The Oval 1902 v Australia. Target 263. Jessop 104 in 77 minutes (7). Runs needed when dismissed 76.
Johannesburg 1906 v England. Target 284. Dave Nourse 93* (8). Last wicket stand 48.
Melbourne 1952 v West Indies. Target 260. Hassett 102 (3). Runs needed when dismissed 42.
Karachi 1994 v Australia. Target 314. Inzamam 58* (8). Last wicket stand 57.
Barbados 1999 v Australia. Target 308. Lara 153* (5). Last wicket stand 9.
Multan 2003 v Bangladesh. Target 261. Inzamam 138* (4). Last wicket stand 5.
Colombo 2006 v South Africa. Target 352. Jayawardene 123 (4). Runs needed when dismissed 11.
Mohali 2010 v Australia. Target 216. Laxman 73* (7). Last wicket stand 11.
Durban 2019 v South Africa. Target 304. Kusal Perera 153* (5). Last wicket stand 78.
Leeds 2019 v Australia. Target 359. Stokes 135* (5). Last wicket stand 76.
 
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Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
Nintendo said:
An innings that wins a match. This is the only criteria that should apply when judging the value of an innings.

For example, these innings all suck as there respective teams did not win the match, meaning they where meaningless. View attachment 40372
Meanwhile, an innings commonly toted as the greatest of all time, Rob Quiney heroic 9(12) against the fearsome attack of Steyn-Philander-Morkel-Kallis came in a draw, making it worthless (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-south-africa-1st-test-573007/full-scorecard).

While I may get some flack for saying this, the actual greatest test innings is Matthew Hayden's 380(437) against Zimbabwe (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...lia-vs-zimbabwe-1st-test-64048/full-scorecard) as this is the most runs made in a test match win. For those wondering, big scores across two innings in a win like Smith's 144 and 142 here (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-australia-1st-test-1152846/full-scorecard) do not compare, as Hayden only got to bat once. If Australia batted again, he would have made 380 more runs.
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This post may be trolling but a draw in test cricket is far from meaningless.
 
SillyCowCorner1

SillyCowCorner1

Moooo
It takes two to tango. And it doesn’t matter how good you are as a batsman, there’s another guy at the non-striker’s end who can make or break your career.

I’d rather say, match-winning partnership instead of match-winning innings.

You are not the greatest farmer in the world.

EDIT: It seems like my account has been hacked by Pat Cummins
 
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Arachnodouche

International Captain
Anything that wins a game while making a discernible dent in the prevailing narrative. For example, VVS and Gilchrist's were matchwinning knocks, while Dravid and Langer's contributions, pivotal as they were, were primarily supportive. Matchwinning innings wrest the initiative, introduce doubt in the opposite camp, and are proactive and dynamic in nature.
 
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GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
SillyCowCorner1 said:
It takes two to tango. And it doesn’t matter how good you are as a batsman, there’s another guy at the non-striker’s end who can make or break your career.

I’d rather say, match-winning partnership instead of match-winning innings.

You are not the greatest farmer in the world.

EDIT: It seems like my account has been hacked by Pat Cummins
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Great fkn post bro
 
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