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What would an ATG game really look like?

Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
subshakerz said:
Here's how I see them doing in a series in England, subject to revision:

PEWS XI
Sir Leonard Hutton - Averages early 30s, a bit conservative and will end up getting stuck on the crease but will see off the new ball
Sunil Gavaskar - Same as above
Walter Hammond^ - Averages early-40s, mostly struggles at no.3 but manages a couple of awesome tons that jump the average up
Sachin Tendulkar - Averages late-30s, fairly consistent but doesnt dominate any innings, lets other bat around him mostly but is able to pick off the bowlers who are more worn down
Brian Lara^ - Averages mid 20s - Some great cameos but exposed against great pace
Sir Garfield Sobers^ (5) - Average 50s, takes advantage of no.6 position and regularly counterattacks
Adam Gilchrist+ - Averages mid-20s, a bit out of his depth but some hard hitting 50s here or there
Imran Khan* (3) - Raises his game as he does against top opp, ends up near or at top of wicket list though a bit higher bowling average in mid 20s and a couple of, low scoring with the bat but manages to help draw a game
Shane Warne (4) - Averages in the 30s with the ball, a couple of penetrative late match spell but nothing much else
Sir Curtly Ambrose (2) Averages in the early 20s, very restrictive but not especially high wicket-taking
Glenn McGrath (1) Averages in the late teens and a consistent new ball star and key wicket-taker

Kyear XI
Sir John Hobbs - Averages late 30s, pinned down but hard to dismiss
Barry Richards^ - Hard to tell
Sir Donald Bradman* - Averages in the late 60s, gets slowly more figured out by the end of the series based on a Ambrose-McGrath offside chokehold
Sir I.V. A. Richards^ - Averages in the mid-30s, some great cameo knocks but eventually one risk too many
Steven Smith - Averages in the late 30s, adapts and is generally consistent
Jacques Kallis^ (5) - Averages in the early 30s,
Allan Knott+ - Gritty knocks, stellar with the gloves
Sir Richard Hadlee (2) - Averages in the mid-20s, very good with the new ball but loses sting as third seamer
Malcom Marshall (1) Averages in the early 20s, consistently hostile and star performer
Dale Steyn (3) - Averages in 30s, weak link in England, given new ball sometimes in the series which clicks to accomodate for some wayward spells
Muttiah Muralitharan (4) - Similar to Warne but has one spell where he threatens to run through the side in the 4th innings
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When has there ever been a 10 run gap in their respective averages vs great attacks, when?? You're out of your damn mind.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Here's how I see them doing in a series in England, subject to revision:

PEWS XI
Sir Leonard Hutton - Averages early 30s, a bit conservative and will end up getting stuck on the crease but will see off the new ball
Sunil Gavaskar - Same as above
Walter Hammond^ - Averages early-40s, mostly struggles at no.3 but manages a couple of awesome tons that jump the average up
Sachin Tendulkar - Averages late-30s, fairly consistent but doesnt dominate any innings, lets other bat around him mostly but is able to pick off the bowlers who are more worn down
Brian Lara^ - Averages mid 20s - Some great cameos but exposed against great pace
Sir Garfield Sobers^ (5) - Average 50s, takes advantage of no.6 position and regularly counterattacks
Adam Gilchrist+ - Averages mid-20s, a bit out of his depth but some hard hitting 50s here or there
Imran Khan* (3) - Raises his game as he does against top opp, ends up near or at top of wicket list though a bit higher bowling average in mid 20s and a couple of, low scoring with the bat but manages to help draw a game
Shane Warne (4) - Averages in the 30s with the ball, a couple of penetrative late match spell but nothing much else
Sir Curtly Ambrose (2) Averages in the early 20s, very restrictive but not especially high wicket-taking
Glenn McGrath (1) Averages in the late teens and a consistent new ball star and key wicket-taker

Kyear XI
Sir John Hobbs - Averages late 30s, pinned down but hard to dismiss
Barry Richards^ - Hard to tell
Sir Donald Bradman* - Averages in the late 60s, gets slowly more figured out by the end of the series based on a Ambrose-McGrath offside chokehold
Sir I.V. A. Richards^ - Averages in the mid-30s, some great cameo knocks but eventually one risk too many
Steven Smith - Averages in the late 30s, adapts and is generally consistent
Jacques Kallis^ (5) - Averages in the early 30s,
Allan Knott+ - Gritty knocks, stellar with the gloves
Sir Richard Hadlee (2) - Averages in the mid-20s, very good with the new ball but loses sting as third seamer
Malcom Marshall (1) Averages in the early 20s, consistently hostile and star performer
Dale Steyn (3) - Averages in 30s, weak link in England, given new ball sometimes in the series which clicks to accomodate for some wayward spells
Muttiah Muralitharan (4) - Similar to Warne but has one spell where he threatens to run through the side in the 4th innings
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The disagreed

Hammond - no way averages more than Sacjin and Lara. Had more issues with pace than BCL.

Lara - biases are showing. Batting at 5 will get a good share of the spinners.

Imran - he's one of the two pacers (along with Steyn) I'm worried about, the lowest ranked / rated bowler here.

Agreed.

Imran - will assist for a draw

Gilchrist - will be out of his depth, but will have at least one counter attack.

Marshall and McGrath will lead their team's attacks.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
The disagreed

Hammond - no way averages more than Sacjin and Lara. Had more issues with pace than BCL.

Lara - biases are showing. Batting at 5 will get a good share of the spinners.

Imran - he's one of the two pacers (along with Steyn) I'm worried about, the lowest ranked / rated bowler here.
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I will think about Hammond.

Lara, yes true, given the attack he is facing, it really is only Marshall who is his most serious threat. Plus he scored plenty against Murali. So then will average over 30.

Imran - He has two class back to back bowling series in England and played a lot of cricket there. He also was a big match player based on WI and WSC. So I see him delivering as captain. Steyn had bigger issues in England as you are aware and I cant recall him ever reversing it there.
 
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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
I will think about Hammond.

Lara, yes true, given the attack he is facing, it really is only Marshall who is his most serious threat. Plus he scored plenty against Murali. So then will average over 30.

Imran - He has two class back to back bowling series in England and played a lot of cricket there. He also was a big match player based on WI and WSC. So I see him delivering as captain. Steyn had bigger issues in England as you are aware and I cant recall him ever reversing it there.
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Pretty sure it was England and or Australia.

Also highest wicket taker when his s/r was literally the same as that of Ambrose but one isn't expected to take many wickets?
Of all the bowlers assembled, he's literally the lowest rated, who even more than Steyn had the most question marks away from home.

This isn't a hate thing, all facts.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Pretty sure it was England and or Australia.

Also highest wicket taker when his s/r was literally the same as that of Ambrose but one isn't expected to take many wickets?
Of all the bowlers assembled, he's literally the lowest rated, who even more than Steyn had the most question marks away from home.

This isn't a hate thing, all facts.
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The averages for all players would change based on location. Hence I gave England to begin with, which is not Steyn's best location. Neither is Australia by the way, though he is pretty good there.

So for example, Steyn would average much better if we are talking SC or SA. England not so much.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
I think they are two evenly matches teams. The slower nature of the top order of @Prince EWS teams could be a factor to wear down the attack (if they survive) to allow for potential carnage of the lower order.

I do prefer my top 4 and bowling attack. It's possible the top order could take the game away before the other side even knows what had happened.
 
smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
subshakerz said:
Here's how I see them doing in a series in England, subject to revision:

PEWS XI
Sir Leonard Hutton - Averages early 30s, a bit conservative and will end up getting stuck on the crease but will see off the new ball
Sunil Gavaskar - Same as above
Walter Hammond^ - Averages early-40s, mostly struggles at no.3 but manages a couple of awesome tons that jump the average up
Sachin Tendulkar - Averages late-30s, fairly consistent but doesnt dominate any innings, lets other bat around him mostly but is able to pick off the bowlers who are more worn down
Brian Lara^ - Averages mid 20s - Some great cameos but exposed against great pace
Sir Garfield Sobers^ (5) - Average 50s, takes advantage of no.6 position and regularly counterattacks
Adam Gilchrist+ - Averages mid-20s, a bit out of his depth but some hard hitting 50s here or there
Imran Khan* (3) - Raises his game as he does against top opp, ends up near or at top of wicket list though a bit higher bowling average in mid 20s and a couple of, low scoring with the bat but manages to help draw a game
Shane Warne (4) - Averages in the 30s with the ball, a couple of penetrative late match spell but nothing much else
Sir Curtly Ambrose (2) Averages in the early 20s, very restrictive but not especially high wicket-taking
Glenn McGrath (1) Averages in the late teens and a consistent new ball star and key wicket-taker

Kyear XI
Sir John Hobbs - Averages late 30s, pinned down but hard to dismiss
Barry Richards^ - Hard to tell
Sir Donald Bradman* - Averages in the late 60s, gets slowly more figured out by the end of the series based on a Ambrose-McGrath offside chokehold
Sir I.V. A. Richards^ - Averages in the mid-30s, some great cameo knocks but eventually one risk too many
Steven Smith - Averages in the late 30s, adapts and is generally consistent
Jacques Kallis^ (5) - Averages in the early 30s,
Allan Knott+ - Gritty knocks, stellar with the gloves
Sir Richard Hadlee (2) - Averages in the mid-20s, very good with the new ball but loses sting as third seamer
Malcom Marshall (1) Averages in the early 20s, consistently hostile and star performer
Dale Steyn (3) - Averages in 30s, weak link in England, given new ball sometimes in the series which clicks to accomodate for some wayward spells
Muttiah Muralitharan (4) - Similar to Warne but has one spell where he threatens to run through the side in the 4th innings
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Why is McGrath averaging late teens while Marshall is averaging early 20s?
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
srbhkshk said:
I would have thought the real question would be Lara averaging in 20s and Sobers in 50s, while batting 5 and 6 to boot. What exactly is Sobers taking advantage of if Lara isn't surviving for ****.
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He thinks Lara was useless vs raw pace
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
I adjusted my take since he isn't facing 4 express pacers.


I rate McGrath a teeny bit better in figuring out how to get out the best bats in English condition even though Marshall is awesome there too.
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Yeah, basically for either team, the only bowler who would be a threat to life and limb would be Maco.

And to your second point, Maco was equally known for and adept at doing that as well.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
Lame - as if bowlers would average less against ATG teams than their career averages.

this is yet another forum for Subz to baselessly tout his biases
 
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