Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Number 7 and 5th Bowler
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Which players would be locks in every OTHER country’s ATG XI?
- Thread starter Coronis
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capt_Luffy
International Captain
Gilly is a better bat no doubt, but I think Miller will bat higher as he really was a no 5 or at most 6; while Gilly was very comfortable at 7.
Hammond. I'd shoehorn him into the Aus and WI teams as an opener, but he gets in as a middle bat anyway.
In all-time v all-time I'd always want B. S. Chandrasekhar in my team too. Every AT XI will have 3 great pacers at a minimum. If they can't get a particular batsman out then what chance does a 4th pacer have? I'd just skip having this 4th pacer. Also if your regular finger or wrist spinner can't get it done then there is a point of difference bowler who might. Don't expect anyone to agree with me, but that's just how I'd go.
In all-time v all-time I'd always want B. S. Chandrasekhar in my team too. Every AT XI will have 3 great pacers at a minimum. If they can't get a particular batsman out then what chance does a 4th pacer have? I'd just skip having this 4th pacer. Also if your regular finger or wrist spinner can't get it done then there is a point of difference bowler who might. Don't expect anyone to agree with me, but that's just how I'd go.
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kyear2
International Coach
No they wouldn't....
A 35 averaging no. 6 in an ATG XI, who wasn't keen on bowling and in this line up would have to much?
A player who in 55 tests had 7 centuries and almost half came in one series on the flat, placid surfaces of the Caribbean for which the WWWs get little credit.
Who as a bowler was mostly if not only effective with the new ball, a new ball that will be shared by Lillee and McGrath
He just doesn't fit. And like most other "genuine" all rounders, a jack of all trades a master of none type. He doesn't fit into a great ATG XI.
Only AT WI would be in the same league.
kyear2
International Coach
South Africa
Barry Richards
Graeme Smith
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
A. B. deVilliers
Quinton de Kock
Mike Procter / Shaun Pollock
Dale Steyn
Hugh Tayfield
Alan Donald
This team can't step into the field? There's 3 top tier ATG talents in the top 4 alone and a borderline ATG in Smith. A place attack that's behind only the WI and a really good spinner to boot.
The 2nd greatest top order all rounder in the history of the game, it bats plenty deep and an amazing cordon.
There's no weakness and a premier batsman and bowler who's capable to taking over games vs anyone.
Aus definitely a notch above the others on paper in my eyes. But I think people seriously underestimate the extent to which a paper advantage will translate into results. The top teams are all trading wins a lot, and a number of teams are winning more at home than they lose against just about everyone else.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
I disagree. You are underrating the need for a good 5th bowler a bit, which can change the outcome of many matches. Most teams also aren't really going with 6 batsmen who aren't actually anything with the ball (sorry Chappell, Border and is probably a bit harsh on Simpson); a vital breakthrough can be more valuable than 10 extra runs. 5 batsman, one all-rounder, one wicketkeeper who is as good a bat as a proper batsman and reasonable depth with Davidson, Lindwall and Warne; I think it's the best possible Aussie combination.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Procter, Steyn, Donald and Pollock are locks.
(Due to the absence of Vander Bijl and Rice )
kyear2
International Coach
And play 6 pacers and no spinners, that really don't work balance wise.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Bring in Faulkner for De Kock
kyear2
International Coach
But in what universe is 6 pacers required?
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Where are you finding the 6th pacer really (given Kallis is the 5th)?? Steyn, Donald, Procter, Pollock, a great pace attack with support from Kallis; Faulkner for the spin and if needed, Procter can turn the ball very well; with batting till 9, I think this team has most things covered.
smash84
The Tiger King
What?
kyear2
International Coach
Meant bowlers tbh.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Procter was able to bowl off spin as well..... Like, he almost solely bowled off break in the WSC and averaged around 15.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
If you have batting till 9, what's the issue really? Kallis is handy at best and Faulkner questionable in non turners; the other 4 are match winners.
smash84
The Tiger King
Really? I didn't know that. I always thought he was only a fast bowler (which he definitely was, and a very good one at that).
capt_Luffy
International Captain
I also just knew that at first. I believe it was probably Bolo or Coronis who first mentioned it to me.
kyear2
International Coach
Yeah, that's serious over kill though, lol