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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
English ODI XI born outside England:

  1. Jason Roy
  2. Graeme Hick
  3. Allan Lamb
  4. Kevin Pietersen
  5. Eoin Morgan (c)
  6. Ben Stokes
  7. Matt Prior (wk)
  8. Chris Lewis
  9. Jofra Archer
  10. Phil DeFreitas
  11. Andy Caddick
I'd pick Dermot Reeve ahead of Lewis and give the gloves to Craig Kleiswetter who did better in ODIs than Prior. Also Trott was too slow but did average about 50 in ODIs.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
NZ ODI XI born outside NZ

  1. BJ Watling (wk)
  2. Devon Conway
  3. Mathew Sinclair
  4. Scott Styris
  5. Roger Twose
  6. Grant Elliot
  7. Glenn Phillips
  8. Colin De Grandhomme
  9. Dipak Patel
  10. Tama Canning
  11. Ish Sodhi
Not much pace in the attack but a very deep batting lineup and lots of slow bowling options. Good that Patel can open the bowling. Colin Munro misses out.

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bagapath

International Captain
Bairstow +
Knight
Root
Pietersen
Morgan *
Stokes -4
Flintoff -3
Botham - 5
Swann -6
Gough - 2
Willis - 1

12th man: Collingwood
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Bairstow +
Knight
Root
Pietersen
Morgan *
Stokes -4
Flintoff -3
Botham - 5
Swann -6
Gough - 2
Willis - 1

12th man: Collingwood
Sorry, but Ben Stokes can't be a 4th bowler. He has 74 wickets at an average of 42.4 and and an economy over 6. He is a poor 6th bowler.
And you forgot Butler who is England's greatest ODI player.
 

bagapath

International Captain
India ODI XI

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Shubman Gill
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh -6
MS Dhoni +*
Ravinder Jadeja -5
Kapil Dev - 1
Kuldeep Yadav - 4
Jasprit Bumrah - 2
Mohammad Shami - 3
 

capt_Luffy

International Captain
India ODI XI

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Shubman Gill
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh -6
MS Dhoni +*
Ravinder Jadeja -5
Kapil Dev - 1
Kuldeep Yadav - 4
Jasprit Bumrah - 2
Mohammad Shami - 3
Gill doesn't belongs there yet..... No way near to displace Kohli from 3. Azhar at 4 is a better choice, or if you have to bat someone at 3, be it Ganguly.
 

bagapath

International Captain
Gill doesn't belongs there yet..... No way near to displace Kohli from 3. Azhar at 4 is a better choice, or if you have to bat someone at 3, be it Ganguly.
no match fixers pl

2000+ runs at 61 is massive. Gill is turning out to be a phenomenon
 

capt_Luffy

International Captain
no match fixers pl

2000+ runs at 61 is massive. Gill is turning out to be a phenomenon
Outside of World Cup doesn't count much, he never impressed me much and was by far India's worst top 5 bat at the WC. He really only had one great year, that too a WC year, and he was India's 5th best bat there..... If to bat at 3, Ganguly is much ahead of Gill till now.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Outside of World Cup doesn't count much, he never impressed me much and was by far India's worst top 5 bat at the WC. He really only had one great year, that too a WC year, and he was India's 5th best bat there..... If to bat at 3, Ganguly is much ahead of Gill till now.
Also Ganguly's medium pacers would be handy.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
India ODI XI

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Shubman Gill
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh -6
MS Dhoni +*
Ravinder Jadeja -5
Kapil Dev - 1
Kuldeep Yadav - 4
Jasprit Bumrah - 2
Mohammad Shami - 3

I would go

Ganguly (9) (vc)
Sachin (he will never take first strike :p ) (8)
Virat
Yuvi (6)
MSD (c) (wk)
Raina (7)
Kapil (1)
Kumble (4)
Kuldeep (5)
Zaheer (2)
Bumrah (3)


Spinners of every variety and 3 brilliant seamers, with one left armer. Enough lefties all through the line up and a 4th backup medium pace option if conditions dictate or seamers are tonked in the PP. Its actually a side I would back to beat most, if not any ODI ATG side, tbh.
 

capt_Luffy

International Captain
I would go

Ganguly (9) (vc)
Sachin (he will never take first strike :p ) (8)
Virat
Yuvi (6)
MSD (c) (wk)
Raina (7)
Kapil (1)
Kumble (4)
Kuldeep (5)
Zaheer (2)
Bumrah (3)


Spinners of every variety and 3 brilliant seamers, with one left armer. Enough lefties all through the line up and a 4th backup medium pace option if conditions dictate or seamers are tonked in the PP. Its actually a side I would back to beat most, if not any ODI ATG side, tbh.
Shami definitely ahead of Zaheer for me. Also, if we are going with Kapil at 7 and Raina at 6 with Yuvi, Ganguly and Sachin; I would think a bit more batting is needed at 8 than Kumble. Probably Jadeja in place of Kumble or Kuldeep. Also, Rohit for either Raina or Ganguly.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Shami definitely ahead of Zaheer for me. Also, if we are going with Kapil at 7 and Raina at 6 with Yuvi, Ganguly and Sachin; I would think a bit more batting is needed at 8 than Kumble. Probably Jadeja in place of Kumble or Kuldeep. Also, Rohit for either Raina or Ganguly.
Yeah but any of those changes will not allow me to have the variety I do right now. And almost all of them are debatable cases at best.
 

capt_Luffy

International Captain
Yeah but any of those changes will not allow me to have the variety I do right now. And almost all of them are debatable cases at best.
If the others are debatable, Shami over Zaheer really isn't, especially after the last WC. Sourav already offers some left arm pace, take the much better bowler.
 

Zinzan

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NZ ODI XI born outside NZ

  1. BJ Watling (wk)
  2. Devon Conway
  3. Rachin Ravindra
  4. Scott Styris
  5. Roger Twose
  6. Grant Elliot
  7. Glenn Phillips
  8. Colin De Grandhomme
  9. Dipak Patel
  10. Tama Canning
  11. Ish Sodhi
Not much pace in the attack but a very deep batting lineup and lots of slow bowling options. Good that Patel can open the bowling. Mathew Sinclair and Colin Munro miss out.
Blasphemy FP, although I notice many assume the same however he was born in Wellington, New Zealand.
 

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