Virender Sehwag vs Clive Lloyd

[PlayerComparisons]

Two destructive players

 

[subshakerz]

Lloyd easily.

 

[Slifer]

Really?? Lloyd!!!

 

[number11]

Lloyd was far ahead. Sehwag has too many holes in his cv.

 

[ma1978]

Sehwag was also the GOAT in the subcontinent which was 70% of his matches. I love Lloyd but this isn’t that close

 

[MexicanRiver]

Parody of a comparison. Lloyd by miles, Lloyd is closer to Dravid than he's to sehwag.

 

[Bolo.]

Sehwag was also the GOAT in the subcontinent which was 70% of his matches. I love Lloyd but this isn’t that close

Playing a high percentage of your matches in conditions that suit you makes you a more valuable player, but not necessarily a better one.

 

[Coronis]

Playing a high percentage of your matches in conditions that suit you makes you a more valuable player, but not necessarily a better one.

I do rate Sehwag above Lloyd but this is a good general rule of thumb.

 

[subshakerz]

Playing a high percentage of your matches in conditions that suit you makes you a more valuable player, but not necessarily a better one.

It just your luck that you play more there and has little bearing on how people should rate you except to dock you points from your record for bad sample.

 

[ataraxia]

Playing a high percentage of your matches in conditions that suit you makes you a more valuable player, but not necessarily a better one.

It just your luck that you play more there and has little bearing on how people should rate you except to dock you points from your record for bad sample.

I take it that everyone rates Barrington based on his 70 away average with little regard for his 50 average in England then.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lloyd was far ahead. Sehwag has too many holes in his cv.

I'm assuming you mean away record, since that seems an obvious thing to say about sehwag. But does he really?

He averaged 35 or lower in 40%(2/5) countries he played in. Sehwag averaged 35 or lower in 40%(4/10) countries he played in and one of them was a minnow, Bangladesh , for which he wouldn't have gotten credit even if he did have a good average.

So, what's the argument for Lloyd supposedly having fewer holes in his record?

 

[subshakerz]

I'm assuming you mean away record, since that seems an obvious thing to say about sehwag. But does he really?

He averaged 35 or lower in 40%(2/5) countries he played in. Sehwag averaged 35 or lower in 40%(4/10) countries he played in and one of them was a minnow, Bangladesh , for which he wouldn't have gotten credit even if he did have a good average.

So, what's the argument for Lloyd supposedly having fewer holes in his record?

Sehwag averaged less than 30 in NZ/SA/Eng, and it is not an away record issue, it is an ability issue, his ability to deal with conditions with lateral movement.

Lloyd basically struggled in NZ and Pak, and half of those series were when they were both around minnow level in the 70s. Otherwise he did very well with high class spin in India, swing in England and pace in Aus with large sample sizes. He didn't have a handicap.

 

[Coronis]

I take it that everyone rates Barrington based on his 70 away average with little regard for his 50 average in England then.

Hey I do

 

[ataraxia]

Hey I do

Oh you think he's top 5 MOB all time then

 

[Bolo.]

I take it that everyone rates Barrington based on his 70 away average with little regard for his 50 average in England then.

This just suggests that Barrington averaged what he did despite where he played his cricket. Sehwag averaged what he did because of where he played. I don't ignore what players did at home, but away is generally going to be a more accurate picture of quality.

There's other reasons not to rate Barrington, but he does go up in my mind based on away record.

 

[Coronis]

Oh you think he's top 5 MOB all time then

Well its not my only factor. Even then I have him 10th in terms of middle order bats.

 

[ataraxia]

It just boggles the mind to talk down the difference between 60 and 70 (the latter of which which no one has got close to) to such a degree that it's only one of several competing factors. It's the same as the difference between 43 (Chandimal) and 50 (Compton/Border).

 

[Coronis]

It just boggles the mind to talk down the difference between 60 and 70 (the latter of which which no one has got close to) to such a degree that it's only one of several competing factors. It's the same as the difference between 43 (Chandimal) and 50 (Compton/Border).

Still a crazy stat, only 2 other players with more than 16 away innings (Bradman and Hammond) averaged 60+

 

[BazBall21]

Barrington averaged 69 away across an 8 year overseas career. Dravid got within 1.5 runs of that across his best 8 years.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sehwag averaged less than 30 in NZ/SA/Eng, and it is not an away record issue, it is an ability issue, his ability to deal with conditions with lateral movement.

Lloyd basically struggled in NZ and Pak, and half of those series were when they were both around minnow level in the 70s. Otherwise he did very well with high class spin in India, swing in England and pace in Aus with large sample sizes. He didn't have a handicap.

This whole post is nonsensical fluff because you didn't even watch Lloyd bat so you aren't aware if he did have a handicap. You have no trouble nitpicking players records country by country but now when it shows there's little difference between them you care about some imaginary 'ability issue'.

People just exposing their double standards here pretending Lloyd has a much better away record. He simply does not. Pretending they've gone through hours of Clive Lloyd batting footage to conclude he was a batsman with no handicap smh. Smoothbrained posting.