Who is the greatest bat with a sub-50 average?

[Migara]

Lloyd wasn't very poor in WI.

Sure. Should be corrected as NZL. Averaged 15.3 Wasn't flashy in Pakistan too averaging 33.8

 

[BazBall21]

Sure. Should be corrected as NZL. Averaged 15.3 Wasn't flashy in Pakistan too averaging 33.8

Small sample in Pak. Was outstanding in India.

Dire v NZ though which does count against him. Batting 5-6 a lot was favourable but he scored plenty of tough runs and crunch hundreds.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sure. Should be corrected as NZL. Averaged 15.3 Wasn't flashy in Pakistan too averaging 33.8

Richards and Sobers also have a very bad record in NZ.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Every RIS CC post

Harsh. I also sometimes post memes about Himannv's irrational dislike of Sangakkara and praise Jadeja in threads where subshakerz is active.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah its interesting, lots of notable Windies players have struggled in NZ, both batsmen and bowlers. Notable exceptions include Greenidge, Walsh and Garner.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah its interesting, lots of notable Windies players have struggled in NZ, both batsmen and bowlers. Notable exceptions include Greenidge, Walsh and Garner.

Everton Weekes scored 3 successive 100s on the 1956 tour. Thankfully he had a double failure in the 4th and final test in Auckland and NZ then won its 1st test match after 26 years of trying.


Pre 1986/7 all WI tours were tacked on the end of an Australian tour. I've read that the West Indian players struggled with the colder weather, slower/lower/seamier pitches (can't just hit through the line), and less interest/hype in cricket in comparison to Australia.

 

[Migara]

Everton Weekes scored 3 successive 100s on the 1956 tour. Thankfully he had a double failure in the 4th and final test in Auckland and NZ then won its 1st test match after 26 years of trying.


Pre 1986/7 all WI tours were tacked on the end of an Australian tour. I've read that the West Indian players struggled with the colder weather, slower/lower/seamier pitches (can't just hit through the line), and less interest/hype in cricket in comparison to Australia.

And Hadlee happened too in 80s.

 

[Slifer]

Richards and Sobers also have a very bad record in NZ.

Richards played one 3 test series. Really??

 

[BazBall21]

Everton Weekes scored 3 successive 100s on the 1956 tour. Thankfully he had a double failure in the 4th and final test in Auckland and NZ then won its 1st test match after 26 years of trying.


Pre 1986/7 all WI tours were tacked on the end of an Australian tour. I've read that the West Indian players struggled with the colder weather, slower/lower/seamier pitches (can't just hit through the line), and less interest/hype in cricket in comparison to Australia.

Yeah the bowlers and batsmen both preferred the harder Australian wickets

 

[Coronis]

Everton Weekes scored 3 successive 100s on the 1956 tour. Thankfully he had a double failure in the 4th and final test in Auckland and NZ then won its 1st test match after 26 years of trying.


Pre 1986/7 all WI tours were tacked on the end of an Australian tour. I've read that the West Indian players struggled with the colder weather, slower/lower/seamier pitches (can't just hit through the line), and less interest/hype in cricket in comparison to Australia.

Well yeah I wasn’t really counting the 3 W’s much because NZ were completely awful in the 50’s - 1 win, 21 losses,10 draws batting average of 19.75 and a bowling average of 37.78. Only 1 batsmen who played 10 matches averaged above 30, 0 bowlers who played 10 matches averaged below 30.

 

[Migara]

Yeah its interesting, lots of notable Windies players have struggled in NZ, both batsmen and bowlers. Notable exceptions include Greenidge, Walsh and Garner.

Modus operandi. They bowled what WI traditionally disliked. Up and there and there abouts, with not much pace to work with.

 

[Migara]

Small sample in Pak. Was outstanding in India.

Dire v NZ though which does count against him. Batting 5-6 a lot was favourable but he scored plenty of tough runs and crunch hundreds.

India wasn't the challenge though. Pakistan was. Had pace and had spin. And had some never say die players like Javed and Mushtaq.

 

[BazBall21]

India wasn't the challenge though. Pakistan was. Had pace and had spin. And had some never say die players like Javed and Mushtaq.

I wouldn't disregard India as not being a challenge. His two hundreds in 1974 came against three members of the spin quartet. Big hundreds too. Took control of both tests.

Came in at 42-4 in Kolkata (1983) and made 161*. Kapil Dev bowled superbly in that series and took 4/91 in that innings.

 

[Slifer]

Modus operandi. They bowled what WI traditionally disliked. Up and there and there abouts, with not much pace to work with.

You don't know what you're talking about. Explain why some of the bowlers sucked there then. Truth be told, prior to the 80s, as has been pointed out Aust/Nz tours were usually combined and after the gruel of Australia, you know the rest. And everyone simply has a boogy team that they struggled against. For every Sobers or Lloyd who did bad in NZ, there is a : Gayle, Weekes, Chanderpaul, Greenidge etc who did well there.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Richards played one 3 test series. Really??

Really he was bad on those 3 Tests..... I just commented how the two best WI batsmen have a bad record there. Not that it was pointing to a weakness or anything, that's a separate discussion.

 

[Slifer]

I wouldn't disregard India as not being a challenge. His two hundreds in 1974 came against three members of the spin quartet. Big hundreds too. Took control of both tests.

Came in at 42-4 in Kolkata (1983) and made 161*. Kapil Dev bowled superbly in that series and took 4/91 in that innings.

India certainly were a challenge especially with the quartet. And when WI got absolutely demolished in Australia in 1976, Lloyd made runs vs a rampaging Thompson and Lillee.

 

[BazBall21]

India certainly were a challenge especially with the quartet. And when WI got absolutely demolished in Australia in 1976, Lloyd made runs vs a rampaging Thompson and Lillee.

Lloyd was excellent in Australia and India. Very decent in England and at home too. Good credentials in the subcontinent and outside. Two tiers above Mahela Jayawardene as a test bat for me.

 

[Slifer]

Really he was bad on those 3 Tests..... I just commented how the two best WI batsmen have a bad record there. Not that it was pointing to a weakness or anything, that's a separate discussion.

Sobers is valid since he played so many tests there. Lara wasn't too good there either (averaged 36 odd) but imo, that's misleading. In two prior series Lara did just fine in NZ. Then in the 3rd to last series of his career, he faced a rampaging Shane Bond and struggled. To put things in perspective, that same NZ attack absolutely destroyed a much better Indian batting line up 3 years prior.

 

[trundler]

Which sub 50 bats are better than Hayden and Chanderpaul? Ignoring Yousuf because he ruins the purpose of this exercise.

 

[BazBall21]

The minefields series when Dravid played one of the all time great 76s.