Klusenar Vs Dhoni

[Jumno]

Klusenar had a fabulous 99 WC and in the 2003 WC, almost got his team him in the innings against WI and Sri L.

Dhoni has played match winning innings against Sri L in the WC final, Vs Australia in Adelaide, another game in Sri L, tried to finish the game off at Birmingham, 2015 WC SF. His 183 Vs Sri L.

Who is the better finisher? Who would you have in your team?

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Dhoni every day of the week, and twice on Sundays

 

[ankitj]

Dhoni underachieved in ODIs. Entirely his own fault too.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Dhoni = Beven + Klusner

 

[Silver Silva]

Klusenar had a fabulous 99 WC and in the 2003 WC, almost got his team him in the innings against WI and Sri L.

Dhoni has played match winning innings against Sri L in the WC final, Vs Australia in Adelaide, another game in Sri L, tried to finish the game off at Birmingham, 2015 WC SF. His 183 Vs Sri L.

Who is the better finisher? Who would you have in your team?

Dhoni, not only a great finisher but a great captain ..

Understood the game is about keeping cool and calm no matter if you win or lose just keep it simple and take it deep. Great mentality

 

[reyrey]

Dhoni the better finisher, but I'd have Klusener in my team as in the first half of his ODI career he was also a genuine matching winning 4th/5th bowler capable of giving you 8-10 overs.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dhoni the better finisher, but I'd have Klusener in my team as in the first half of his ODI career he was also a genuine matching winning 4th/5th bowler capable of giving you 8-10 overs.

Dhoni can keep though.....

 

[reyrey]

Dhoni can keep though.....

There are and have been plenty of quality wicket keeper batsman in the game (some teams now even have 2 or 3 in the same line up) but very few fast bowling all-rounders who could win you games with both bat and ball.

 

[capt_Luffy]

There are and have been plenty of quality wicket keeper batsman in the game (some teams now even have 2 or 3 in the same line up) but very few fast bowling all-rounders who could win you games with both bat and ball.

In Dhoni's class? Not really. You have Gilly in top order and Buttler, and even those two are definitely worse. As a pacer allrounder, Flintoff, Dev and Imran all have cases ahead of Klusner whose bowling wasn't really that good.

 

[reyrey]

In Dhoni's class? Not really. You have Gilly in top order and Buttler, and even those two are definitely worse. As a pacer allrounder, Flintoff, Dev and Imran all have cases ahead of Klusner whose bowling wasn't really that good.

Wicket keeping doesn't win matches like bowling can. It's just a glorified fielding position in ODIs.

And I mentioned Kluseners bowling in the first half of his career which was basically under Cronjes captaincy. His numbers during that period are on par with Flintoff, but he has several more 5 wicket halls. He actually has more 5 wicket hauls in 4 years than in the careers of all the allrounders you mentioned combined. Also he was a better batsman by a lot than all the names you mentioned.

It's obvious you didn't watch Klusener bowling in his early years or don't remember otherwise you would know just how good he was.


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[SillyCowCorner1]

Apples and oranges

 

[ankitj]

Klusener's ER was too high and I generally give more importance to economy than wicket taking ability in limited overs. Will definitely take Flintoff over Klusener as bowler.

 

[Prince EWS]

Dhoni can keep though.....

Frontline bowling > frontline keeping.

I agree with the proposition that Dhoni was a clearly better finisher but Klusener a marginally better player.

 

[reyrey]

Klusener's ER was too high and I generally give more importance to economy than wicket taking ability in limited overs. Will definitely take Flintoff over Klusener as bowler.

Klusener at his best was used more as strike bowler and Flintoff was used more as a middle overs enforcer, different roles, different economy rates. Also no one said Klusener was a better bowler than Flintoff.

 

[Spark]

I do wonder how much Dhoni hanging on much too long at ODI level hurt his reputation, because this would have been a no contest on this forum ca 2013 or so.

 

[honestbharani]

MSD easily

 

[ankitj]

I do wonder how much Dhoni hanging on much too long at ODI level hurt his reputation, because this would have been a no contest on this forum ca 2013 or so.

Hanging on wasn't the problem. He still had the game to be one of the top limited over players in the world. Problem was he steadfastly stuck to playing very low in the batting order. He limited his own impact by doing so, denied himself many many opportunities to play match winning knocks. Also overdid the safety first approach. I would be less mad at him if his abilities declined, it's just his mindset became ****.

 

[Coronis]

Wicket keeping doesn't win matches like bowling can. It's just a glorified fielding position in ODIs.

And I mentioned Kluseners bowling in the first half of his career which was basically under Cronjes captaincy. His numbers during that period are on par with Flintoff, but he has several more 5 wicket halls. He actually has more 5 wicket hauls in 4 years than in the careers of all the allrounders you mentioned combined. Also he was a better batsman by a lot than all the names you mentioned.

It's obvious you didn't watch Klusener bowling in his early years or don't remember otherwise you would know just how good he was.


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Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Avg	Econ	SR	4w	5w
1996-2000	82	78	619.4	22	2946	116	6/49	25.39	4.75	32	0	6

Yeah fielding is less important in shorter formats.

 

[reyrey]

Yeah fielding is less important in shorter formats.

Yeah expect I never said that. I actually suggested the opposite.

A keeper even though they are in essence the main fielder in the team, if it's a "glorified position" then it would mean the other fielding positions are not given the credit or recognition they deserve. 1 keeper, 10 other fielders who should be recognized for their importance.

 

[Socerer 01]

Hanging on wasn't the problem. He still had the game to be one of the top limited over players in the world. Problem was he steadfastly stuck to playing very low in the batting order. He limited his own impact by doing so, denied himself many many opportunities to play match winning knocks. Also overdid the safety first approach. I would be less mad at him if his abilities declined, it's just his mindset became ****.

nah he wasnt

he was visibly struggling against spin, wrist spin in particular and his strike rotation wasnt up to snuff for the middle overs of that time. the mcg odi showed why, Kohli had negotiated a tough powerplay and conditions upfront and was trying to play his usual accumulator style but Dhoni kept eating up dot balls instead of playing tango with Kohli which ended up with Kohli getting out in a frustrated manner. reason why it didnt blow up was because it was Dhoni and because he ended up winning the match. a similar thing happened in another match i cant recall, Kohli tried to rotate strike initially but realising Dhoni wasnt doing it then went for 4s and slogs and ended up losing his wicket by attempting a 6