Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall

[subshakerz]

I think it’s impossible for any bowler to replicate Marshall’s peak of 1983-88, i.e combination of two factors: domination in all conditions, and crazy WPM amidst crazy competition. However I really think, it’s close between the two as you raise some good points ala Tendulkar’s longevity and quality of bowling faced. Some other day, I would go Tendulkar perhaps.

I don't think a bowler needs to replicate Marshall's peak, just his overall numbers, which Bumrah has been doing fairly well so far, and even Cummins before last year.

Whereas for a bat, they either have to match Tendulkar numbers with somewhat close to his longevity, or exceed his numbers by a hefty average margin in around maybe half the games, which Smith was threatening to do and failed.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I don't think a bowler needs to replicate Marshall's peak, just his overall numbers, which Bumrah has been doing fairly well so far, and even Cummins before last year.

Whereas for a bat, they either have to match Tendulkar numbers with somewhat close to his longevity, or exceed his numbers by a hefty average margin in around maybe half the games, which Smith was threatening to do and failed.

It will be mighty tough for Bumrah to also replicate Marshall’s overall numbers, and without a higher WPM, I’ll rate Marshall ahead basis his peak, cause a crucial competent of his greatness was his wicket taking ability amongst great competition. Although I hope he does.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

And someone like Jack Hobbs already matches Tendulkar given his absurdly high average in the pre war era(60, when a good batsmen was averaging 35), and his overall domination in some of the craziest extremities of conditions.

 

[Burgey]

As if he didn’t tour in 1999 and won MOS

Yeah that was a charity award if there’s ever been one. McGrath averaged about 12 with the ball that series, Tendulkar was about 3rd leading run scorer and averaged 45, but somehow got it. Probably some betting on the POTS award going on.

 

[Sunil1z]

Yeah that was a charity award if there’s ever been one. McGrath averaged about 12 with the ball that series, Tendulkar was about 3rd leading run scorer and averaged 45, but somehow got it. Probably some betting on the POTS award going on.

Are you saying we need to investigate Bill lawry and late Tony Greig ?

 

[subshakerz]

And someone like Jack Hobbs already matches Tendulkar given his absurdly high average in the pre war era(60, when a good batsmen was averaging 35), and his overall domination in some of the craziest extremities of conditions.

Yeah it's super close between Tendulkar and Hobbs but Tendulkar faced better bowlers.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Yeah it's super close between Tendulkar and Hobbs but Tendulkar faced better bowlers.

And Hobbs faced tougher conditions, especially pre war and a wider extreme too such as matted wickets in SA, and the crazy gluepot wicket in Aus.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah it's super close between Tendulkar and Hobbs but Tendulkar faced better bowlers.

I think that the biggest point in favour of Hobbs is that he literally don't have any blemishes in career.

 

[subshakerz]

I think that the biggest point in favour of Hobbs is that he literally don't have any blemishes in career.

I have an admitted bias towards modern era players. I just think the intensity and professionalism of cricket is more since the mid-70s Chappell time.

 

[Burgey]

Are you saying we need to investigate Bill lawry and late Tony Greig ?

Greigy loved the Arthur Ashe.
I think in all seriousness they just felt sorry for him

 

[Slifer]

I don't think a bowler needs to replicate Marshall's peak, just his overall numbers, which Bumrah has been doing fairly well so far, and even Cummins before last year.

Whereas for a bat, they either have to match Tendulkar numbers with somewhat close to his longevity, or exceed his numbers by a hefty average margin in around maybe half the games, which Smith was threatening to do and failed.

I rate Bumrah exceedingly high but before he even sniffs atg status, he needs a 10 for or two. To match the top 3, he needs excellence across most nations (which he does) but he needs to end his career this way. Obviously, with many more tests/wkts.

The interesting thing though, which I mentioned earlier is that how are conditions now that much different from the 80s batting wise? WI and RSA are not test standard, England and NZ have one alpha and not much else. Australia are good but not great. Years from now, are we going to question bowlers who've done well now because of the lack of any real world class batting lineups? Question to ponder.

 

[ankitj]

Outside of maybe Kyear, literally no one on here considers him remotely close to being the Bradman of his field. On the other hand you lot on here are acting like Sachin is completely infallible. I've even seen the likes of Nassar Hussain, Hadlee etc rate Sachin above the Don. So no, no one exaggerates Marshall's greatness. He's among the top 3 greatest pace bowlers ever. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do remember there was at least one poster who ranked Marshall #1 and Bradman #2 in the cw50 exercise.

 

[subshakerz]

I do remember there was at least one poster who ranked Marshall #1 and Bradman #2 in the cw50 exercise.

I also think there would be a decent number of posters who would rate Marshall ahead of Sobers too. So yeah Marshall needs to be taken down a notch.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I also think there would be a decent number of posters who would rate Marshall ahead of Sobers too. So yeah Marshall needs to be taken down a notch.

Marshall is perfectly fine where he is; the Greatest bowler of all time albeit not without any competition, a.k.a, not the bowling equivalent of Don. There are more people who rate Akram higher than Marshall than those who rate Marshall higher than Sobers.

 

[subshakerz]

I rate Bumrah exceedingly high but before he even sniffs atg status, he needs a 10 for or two. To match the top 3, he needs excellence across most nations (which he does) but he needs to end his career this way. Obviously, with many more tests/wkts.

Sure but do you agree with the larger point, we are more likely to have a Marshall level bowler come along than a Tendulkar level bat?

 

[capt_Luffy]

I rate Bumrah exceedingly high but before he even sniffs atg status, he needs a 10 for or two. To match the top 3, he needs excellence across most nations (which he does) but he needs to end his career this way. Obviously, with many more tests/wkts.

The interesting thing though, which I mentioned earlier is that how are conditions now that much different from the 80s batting wise? WI and RSA are not test standard, England and NZ have one alpha and not much else. Australia are good but not great. Years from now, are we going to question bowlers who've done well now because of the lack of any real world class batting lineups? Question to ponder.

I consider Joel Garner an ATG; how many 10fers he has again??

 

[subshakerz]

I consider Joel Garner an ATG; how many 10fers he has again??

Only on CW is he considered an ATG.

 

[Slifer]

I consider Joel Garner an ATG; how many 10fers he has again??

I don't

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't

Then fair enough. But like, then you have what like 10 ATG bowlers??

 

[Slifer]

Sure but do you agree with the larger point, we are more likely to have a Marshall level bowler come along than a Tendulkar level bat?

Yes I agree only so much as any batsmen matching Sachin's longevity and consistency. But there are Tendulkar level batsmen: Hobbs, Sobers and Lara. And one distinctly above him: the Don.