Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall

[Slifer]

I added England just now before you mentioned.

And Marshall is better than Ambrose. We are comparing Marshall with the best tested cricketer ever, so this is a fair point.


Except for the 86 series, Marshall was a support act which is why he has 35 wickets in 10 tests overall.

He took 35 wkts because many of the 10 tests ended in draws and time wasn't made up. And you know, the little matter of competing with one or two other decent bowlers. Surely you're not docking the man for his wpm in Pak?

 

[subshakerz]

He took 35 wkts because many of the 10 tests ended in draws and time wasn't made up. And you know, the little matter of competing with one or two other decent bowlers. Surely you're not docking the man for his wpm in Pak?

No, I am just saying in terms of great series, he only has one in Pak, one in India and one in Aus. That's just a fact.

Overall, his record in Pak is perfectly acceptable by other ATG bowler standards.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

You ask knowledgeable journalists to pick ATG XIs I'd venture, Sachin would be picked more often that anyone barring the Don but doesn't make him better than the likes of Imran, Hadlee, Marshall or sir Gary.

Sobers is basically a lock as well and in a world where Bradman doesn’t exist, easily the Greatest cricketer to ever walk this planet. Kinda of like Ali but better imho.

 

[subshakerz]

Sobers is basically a lock as well and in a world where Bradman doesn’t exist, easily the Greatest cricketer to ever walk this planet. Kinda of like Ali but better imho.

 

[Slifer]

No, I am just saying in terms of great series, he only has one in Pak, one in India and one in Aus. That's just a fact.

Overall, his record in Pak is perfectly acceptable by other ATG bowler standards.

Added to the ones he had at home vs the above teams and England that's not too shabby a cv.

 

[Sunil1z]

Then Imran should also be lock as a 3rd pacer because of his skills with old ball . I think many former players pick Akram instead of Imran because of his left arm variety but Imran was actually a superior cricketer than him in all aspects

 

[subshakerz]

Added to the ones he had at home vs the above teams and England that's not too shabby a cv.

Yeah not too shabby but again we are comparing him to the most tested cricketer ever.

 

[subshakerz]

Then Imran should also be lock as a 3rd pacer because of his skills with old ball . I think many former players pick Akram instead of Imran because of his left arm variety but Imran was actually a superior cricketer than him in all aspects

I used to think the positions of Hadlee and McGrath were inviolable but recently I have questioned this conventional wisdom. I think you can make good cases for others to be ahead too.

 

[kyear2]

Outside of maybe Kyear, literally no one on here considers him remotely close to being the Bradman of his field. On the other hand you lot on here are acting like Sachin is completely infallible. I've even seen the likes of Nassar Hussain, Hadlee etc rate Sachin above the Don. So no, no one exaggerates Marshall's greatness. He's among the top 3 greatest pace bowlers ever. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't think that he is the Bradman of bowlers, I think he's the best but I've always said McGrath and Hadlee aren't far behind and in the same tier.

 

[Sunil1z]

I used to think the positions of Hadlee and McGrath were inviolable but recently I have questioned this conventional wisdom. I think you can make good cases for others to be ahead too.

My bowling attack
Marshall
McGrath /Hadlee
Imran
Warne/Murali

 

[subshakerz]

I don't think that he is the Bradman of bowlers, I think he's the best but I've always said McGrath and Hadlee aren't far behind and in the same tier.

Here is what you said on how you rated Marshall. You gave him a 99 and Bradman a 100.

Looking like a set up, but regardless 99.

Hobbs is difficult because he's on the same grading curve as Bradman, who's getting a 100. He didn't face the toughest of fast bowling competition, but he did have the pitches to contend with..... 95

 

[subshakerz]

My bowling attack
Marshall
McGrath /Hadlee
Imran
Warne/Murali

Yes same.

 

[kyear2]

Here is what you said on how you rated Marshall. You gave him a 99 and Bradman a 100.

And McGrath is right behind him, and Hadlee just behind him.

 

[subshakerz]

And McGrath is right behind him, and Hadlee just behind him.

Yeah but forgive us for believing you have exaggerated Marshall based on one point behind Bradman.

 

[subshakerz]

Tendulkar longevity with a perfect record will always be the trumpcard against Marshall and anyone who isn't at least an ATG with a secondary discipline.

Steve Smith was threatening to replicate Tendulkar allround greatness with a 60 plus average but then couldn't sustain it, and even if he ends up with matching or slightly better numbers, he will be around 50 tests and several years shy of Tendulkar.

Whereas if Bumrah keeps up current form and retires after 300 wickets in a few years, he will potentially be in conversation around Marshall.

Point being, though it's unlikely, it is more likely you will find another Marshall than another Tendulkar because sustaining greatness for that long is just rarer.

 

[Burgey]

Tendulkar probably wouldn't have been rated as highly if he'd toured Aus between 92 and 2000.

 

[Sunil1z]

Tendulkar probably wouldn't have been rated as highly if he'd toured Aus between 92 and 2000.

As if he didn’t tour in 1999 and won MOS

 

[capt_Luffy]

As if he didn’t tour in 1999 and won MOS

Lol. I wonder which umpires better than Buckner would Australia had used....

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Tendulkar longevity with a perfect record will always be the trumpcard against Marshall and anyone who isn't at least an ATG with a secondary discipline.

Steve Smith was threatening to replicate Tendulkar allround greatness with a 60 plus average but then couldn't sustain it, and even if he ends up with matching or slightly better numbers, he will be around 50 tests and several years shy of Tendulkar.

Whereas if Bumrah keeps up current form and retires after 300 wickets in a few years, he will potentially be in conversation around Marshall.

Point being, though it's unlikely, it is more likely you will find another Marshall than another Tendulkar because sustaining greatness for that long is just rarer.

I think it’s impossible for any bowler to replicate Marshall’s peak of 1983-88, i.e combination of two factors: domination in all conditions, and crazy WPM amidst crazy competition. So for that reason, it’s equally tough to trump Marshall, even for Bumrah since in non-Sena conditions, he faces less competition than Marshall. However I really think, it’s close between the two as you raise some good points ala Tendulkar’s longevity and quality of bowling faced. Some other day, I would go Tendulkar perhaps.

 

[Sunil1z]

Lol. I wonder which umpires better than Buckner would Australia had used....

Buckner didn’t umpire in that series.
But Australian commentators were highly sympathetic towards Sachin ( received 3 dubious decisions in 6 innings) and awarded him MoS to correct the mistake.