Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall

[Slifer]

I am beginning to think oddly enough we need to take Marshall down a notch over time. Yes, best pacer ever, but not this demi-god that posters are presenting him as.

Yeah ok Subz, good luck with that. Clearly you haven't learned your lesson after trying to screw around with Sir Curtly. Now this.....

 

[Burgey]

I rate him as a better version of Chanderpaul whose average is boosted by huge number of not outs. I know guy made Aus no.1 and he was gutsy but I don’t put him in elite list . I put him in Dravid category.

That’s because you’ve had a cerebral event which has rendered you a dribbler

 

[kyear2]

Yeah ok Subz, good luck with that. Clearly you haven't learned your lesson after trying to screw around with Sir Curtly. Now this.....

Yeah, and the motivation is always clear.

 

[ankitj]

This is the broken nose match saving fifty at Sialkot at age 16.

Look at the guy's face. He's barely hit puberty imo.

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Those helmets without the grill were so useless.

 

[Sunil1z]

That’s because you’ve had a cerebral event which has rendered you a dribbler

More like I have an interesting life and can’t find no stroke wonders like Border exciting.

 

[Sunil1z]

Yeah ok Subz, good luck with that. Clearly you haven't learned your lesson after trying to screw around with Sir Curtly. Now this.....

Actually he is clearly right here . While Marshall is definitely no.1 bowler , he isn’t Bradman of his field. McGrath and Hadlee are extremely close to him .

 

[Slifer]

Actually he is clearly right here . While Marshall is definitely no.1 bowler , he isn’t Bradman of his field. McGrath and Hadlee are extremely close to him .

Outside of maybe Kyear, literally no one on here considers him remotely close to being the Bradman of his field. On the other hand you lot on here are acting like Sachin is completely infallible. I've even seen the likes of Nassar Hussain, Hadlee etc rate Sachin above the Don. So no, no one exaggerates Marshall's greatness. He's among the top 3 greatest pace bowlers ever. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Outside of maybe Kyear, literally no one on here considers him remotely close to being the Bradman of his field. On the other hand you lot on here are acting like Sachin is completely infallible. I've even seen the likes of Nassar Hussain, Hadlee etc rate Sachin above the Don. So no, no one exaggerates Marshall's greatness. He's among the top 3 greatest pace bowlers ever. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Apart from the guy who considers him close to Bradman, no one considers him close to Bradman"

 

[Sunil1z]

Outside of maybe Kyear, literally no one on here considers him remotely close to being the Bradman of his field. On the other hand you lot on here are acting like Sachin is completely infallible. I've even seen the likes of Nassar Hussain, Hadlee etc rate Sachin above the Don. So no, no one exaggerates Marshall's greatness. He's among the top 3 greatest pace bowlers ever. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sachin is infallible
Who said it ? Show me even 1 post . How can a guy with no 500 runs series and no triple century be considered infallible

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin is infallible
Who said it ? Show me even 1 post . How can a guy with no 500 runs series and no triple century be considered infallible

We have literally been admitting Tendulkar's faults.

 

[Slifer]

"Apart from the guy who considers him close to Bradman, no one considers him close to Bradman"

Yeah outside of one person, no one considers him close to Bradman. Is that hard to understand? Therefore he's rated just fine afaic. There's one Bradman then the rest.

 

[subshakerz]

Rating Marshall so high also doesn't make sense when his reputation is built on a relatively short peak compared to other ATGs, and he only really delivered great returns in India, Pak and Australia in single series performances. Only in England did he deliver multiple times.

 

[Slifer]

We have literally been admitting Tendulkar's faults.

No you haven't. You've been bringing up Marshall's faults or short comings and when anyone brings up Sachins you lot start with a bunch of excuses. For example, one of you mentioned that Marshall didn't really face any atg lineups fair point which I readily acknowledged.

Then when someone brings up the fact that Sachin didn't dominate a series here comes the excuses: he didn't play enough 5 test series, he was young, he carried India etc. Now you start this bs again about reexamining where he stands. And all because Kyear hit a nerve with you.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Rating Marshall so high also doesn't make sense when his reputation is built on a relatively short peak compared to other ATGs, and he only really delivered worldclass returns in India, Pak and Australia in single series performances.

Malcolm Marshall is a player who flourished when the bouncer rule was not yet introduced. I really doubt if he would have been effective in 2000s. On the other hand Curtly Ambrose could have done well in all eras. Sachin vs Ambrose is a better comparison.

 

[subshakerz]

Then when someone brings up the fact that Sachin didn't dominate a series here comes the excuses: he didn't play enough 5 test series, he was young, he carried India etc. Now you start this bs again about reexamining where he stands. And all because Kyear hit a nerve with you.

I explained why Tendulkar hasn't dominated the great bowlers.

However I acknowledge him not having big haul series is a fault.

 

[subshakerz]

Malcolm Marshall is a player who flourished when the bouncer rule was not yet introduced. I really doubt if he would have been effective in 2000s. On the other hand Curtly Ambrose could have done well in all eras. Sachin vs Ambrose is a better comparison.

Marshall could do well with the skiddy bouncer so I don't think it could be an issue.

 

[Sunil1z]

No you haven't. You've been bringing up Marshall's faults or short comings and when anyone brings up Sachins you lot start with a bunch of excuses. For example, one of you mentioned that Marshall didn't really face any atg lineups fair point which I readily acknowledged.

Then when someone brings up the fact that Sachin didn't dominate a series here comes the excuses: he didn't play enough 5 test series, he was young, he carried India etc. Now you start this bs again about reexamining where he stands. And all because Kyear hit a nerve with you.

I brought up Sachin didn’t play enough 5 match series which is true . If 1998 series or 2007/08 or 2010 series versus Aus was a 5 match series, he would have definitely scored 500 runs in all the 3 series.

 

[Slifer]

Rating Marshall so high also doesn't make sense when his reputation is built on a relatively short peak compared to other ATGs, and he only really delivered worldclass returns in India, Pak and Australia in single series performances.

You need to make up your freaking mind because not too long ago you were tearing down Ambrose for lack of showings in Asia. Marshall has that in spades and idk why you left out England.

Marshall played 3 series in Pakistan and averaged 24, 16 and 27 and struck at 45, 43 and 65. Overall 21 at 40 odd.

 

[subshakerz]

You need to make up your freaking mind because not too long ago you were tearing down Ambrose for lack of showings in Asia. Marshall has that in spades and idk why you left out England.

I added England just now before you mentioned.

And Marshall is better than Ambrose. Stop bringing these red herrings. We are comparing Marshall with the best tested cricketer ever, so this is a fair point.

Marshall played 3 series in Pakistan and averaged 24, 16 and 27 and struck at 45, 43 and 65. Overall 21 at 40 odd.

Except for the 86 series, Marshall was a support act which is why he has 35 wickets in 10 tests overall.

 

[Sunil1z]

Tendulkar and Akram would have been rated a lot higher if they played for Aus or Eng . Throughput 90s they spent a huge portion of their energy in Tri series in Sharjah for which they get little credit as they are outside of the WC . It would have been better they had played 5 match Test series instead of so many bilateral or Tri lateral series as doubt many people on this forum consider scoring 16000 runs or 500 wkts in ODI a huge achievement .