Sunil1z
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Why wow ? Dravid and Border are in 16-20 in CW batting poll . There isn’t much to separate them .
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Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall
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HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Yes Subz, this one even you had conceded, that a lack of a big series was a weakness in Sachin’s resume. Whereas Marshall has many big series with the ball. For me this is another big reason, along with 1983-88 peak
Sunil1z
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2nd point is a genuine criticism of Sachin .
But he also played very few 5 match Test series unlike Marshall .
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Why is that such a shocking statement to you? I rate Border much higher than he does but Dravid level isn't some gross insult. That's top 20-25 batsmen of all time level.
subshakerz
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I meant that while other ATG bats had more dominating series, Tendulkar generally had a longer stretch of consistent good performances so it balances out.
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What was the best batting lineup Marshall had to bowl to?
Slifer
International Captain
Richie excluded all WI fast bowlers because he wasn't fond of their 'methods'. Which was extremely hypocritical because he included Lillee who used to bowl 8 bouncers an over ( 8 ball overs used to be a thing in Australia). And Richie rated Sachin as the 2nd best batsman of all time.
Still it's his opinion which he's entitled too, doesn't make it the be all and end all. He also included Viv who many on this board deem as overrated. And lastly, Richie said that's the team he'd most want to see play together not that they were the best.
You ask knowledgeable journalists to pick ATG XIs I'd venture, Sachin would be picked more often that anyone barring the Don but doesn't make him better than the likes of Imran, Hadlee, Marshall or sir Gary.
Slifer
International Captain
True but there were a finite number of wickets available to Sir Malcolm and even more so, while competing in some of those series with other good pacers. Sachin played enough series of 4 or more to have done it at least once.
subshakerz
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Also a minor point, but I find Tendulkar's narrative more compelling. He starts as this prodigy, scoring unbelievable tons on first tours to England, Aus and SA as a teen, then shouldering much of the batting pressure and public pressure, redefining his technique with new challenges and age, hitting a second late peak and ending with perfect figures.
Whereas Marshall entered in a team that was already ATG level, with the world's best batting lineup and the greatest pace bowling support in history to back him, does predictably awesome for a few years against mostly diminished batting lineups, and ends up slightly ahead of the rest of an assembly lineup of WI pacers. Just a bit better but more of the same.
Whereas Marshall entered in a team that was already ATG level, with the world's best batting lineup and the greatest pace bowling support in history to back him, does predictably awesome for a few years against mostly diminished batting lineups, and ends up slightly ahead of the rest of an assembly lineup of WI pacers. Just a bit better but more of the same.
Sunil1z
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I think it was India’s or England’s ?
I don’t know . I rate Indian team of 80s at par with current Pakistan.
subshakerz
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Oh yes I concede it is a minus point for Tendulkar, lack of big haul series.
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No. He played three series vs McWarne:
1) Man of the series in 99 (possibly undeserved, but this is the one where he got 3 extremely questionable decisions go against him
2) Excellent performance in a historic series win in 01 (two brilliant 50s in the Mumbai test where he stood alone in the wreckage, and then a series-winning hundred at Chennai)
3) One test when he was recalled mid-series even though his tennis elbow hadn't healed. Made a brilliant 50 on the unplayable pitch in the 4th test (not included in the below stats though since Warne missed that test)
I disagree that that can in any way be described as 'ordinary'
HouHsiaoHsien
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99 series was very impressive, especially the Melbourne performance
subshakerz
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And then destroying Warne along in 97/98 too.
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Will also say that the fact that Tendulkar completely dominated the two greatest spinners of all time in several series (particularly the 98 humiliation of Warne) also is not mentioned as much as it should here. They also count as ATG bowlers last time I checked.
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450 runs @ SR of 81. SR nuthuggers like yourself and @kyear2 should be wanking yourselves over it.
kyear2
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Seriously, either you're 16 or have no idea what you're talking about.
Marshall didn't flop in NZ, he was legitimately injured, a back injury no less and still pushed through the series because as stated before both Holding and Garner went home early.
The revisionist history here is honestly absurd.
Sachin is elite, there's no doubt about that and in my absolute top tier of ATG cricketers.
But let's not pretend that while they were playing that he was seen as head and shoulders above Lara, at best he was more consistent, Lara having higher peaks and moments and series of brilliance.
It was actually close.
I have no issue with some saying Sachin is better than Malcolm, but being the same crowd that consistently plays the bowlers are better than batsmen tune, it's quite strange.
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Slifer
International Captain
A few come to mind:
Australia at home in 1991: Border, Jones, Boon and Taylor. Taylor was fresh off an 800 run series vs England and the rest were already established good batsmen.
India back to back series with: Sunny, Dilip, Armanath and Dev late down the order.
Pakistan '86 with: Javed, Salim, Imran late and home conditions.
Pakistan '90: Javed, Salim, Shoaib, Imran late and home conditions.
No atg lineups but no completely atrocious lineups either ala current WI, RSA, or 90s/2000s Bangladesh and Zim.
Slifer
International Captain
It isn't ordinary. My mistake. But I would say generally, he was ordinary vs the great fast bowlers of the 90s. Now post those stats. Post his overall average featuring the following 90s greats: Wasim, Ambrose, Waqar, McGrath and Donald...
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subshakerz
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It's pretty much India and late Aus. None I would rate as a genuine great batting side though like the other pacers faced.