Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall

[Slifer]

@Slifer longevity with consistency is a direct result of Better Batting Techniques and Sachin had that. Marshall flopped in New Zealand doesn’t mean he was a bad bowler.

One 3 test series. Check his overall record vs nz. Contrast that with Sachin who was bad home and away vs Donald, was ordinary vs the Ws. Was ordinary vs McWarne. I don't care if he copped some bad decisions, that's not unique.

Subz said Sachin never got dominated but he also never completely dominated or had an "impactful " series vs an all time lineup. Now, one can say the same about Marshall ie he never faced an atg lineups but he did dominate all and I'd argue excelling in Asia (especially 80s Pakistan) is as good a feather in his cap as there is. Otherwise, Subz, don't ever tell me/us again about how hard it is to do well as a pacer in Asia. You literally made a post about that not too long ago.

 

[kyear2]

So we have clearly established that Marshall didn’t trouble any ATG batsmen . Gavaskar averaged 50 vs him , he never bowled to Viv and Greg Chappell . So he just dominated very good players .

You quite clearly live in your own world, so feel free to believe what you will.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Malcolm Marshall was like a Red Pepper and Sachin was like a Wine so it’s tough to draw a conclusion as both have no similarities.

 

[subshakerz]

For, firstly Marshall’s peak of 6 WPM, and brilliance in all conditions, from 1983-88 while bowling in some of the most competitive attacks ever. This is more concentrated greatness that Sachin managed in any 5/6 year peak.

Yet we can argue Imran, Waqar and maybe Murali had comparable short term peaks. So Marshall's achievement, while awesome, doesn't single him out.

No bat is close to Tendulkar in terms of year and tests though while maintaining that standard. He stands alone.

Secondly, Marshall’s sub 25 average everywhere except NZ, is slightly more impressive than Sachin’s 45+ averages everywhere except Pakistan.

Guess what, Tendulkar doesn't need an 'except' clause despite playing more than double the test of Marshall and having more margin for error. Again, nobody playing that many tests can claim a spotless batting record like him despite there being more such ATG bats.

 

[Sunil1z]

You quite clearly live in your own world, so feel free to believe what you will.

So , tell me which ATG bat he dominated like McGrath ? Or you just know to throw insults only ?

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Yet we can argue Imran, Waqar and maybe Murali had comparable short term peaks. So Marshall's achievement, while awesome, doesn't single him out.

No bat is close to Tendulkar in terms of year and tests though while maintaining that standard. He stands alone.


Guess what, Tendulkar doesn't need an 'except' clause despite playing more than double the test of Marshall and having more margin for error. Again, nobody playing that many tests can claim a spotless batting record like him despite there being more such ATG bats.

Its Marshall’s insane WPM despite bowling in very competitive attacks and achievements across conditions that separates him from anyone else. Two factors. Also generally I think bowling average of sub 25 is more impressive than batting average of 45. We can agree to disagree. Waqar and Murali didn’t dominate all conditions like Marshall, neither did they bowl in as competitive attacks as him(especially the latter).

 

[CricketFan90s]

Marshall was not so good bowler in Odis but Sachin an all time great. Sachin ability to adapt is better than Marshall.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Marshall was not so good bowler in Odis but Sachin an all time great. Sachin ability to adapt is better than Marshall.

Across formats, Sachin easily is better

 

[subshakerz]

One 3 test series. Check his overall record vs nz. Contrast that with Sachin who was bad home and away vs Donald, was ordinary vs the Ws. Was ordinary vs McWarne. I don't care if he copped some bad decisions, that's not unique.

Tendulkar wasn't bad against any ATG. He scored reasonably most series against them, they got him out a handful of times without consistently making him struggle or finding a flaw in his technique.

Subz said Sachin never got dominated but he also never completely dominated or had an "impactful " series vs an all time lineup.

Sure but he had plenty of good series. He sacrificed for dominance with more consistency.

Now, one can say the same about Marshall ie he never faced an atg lineups but he did dominate all and I'd argue excelling in Asia (especially 80s Pakistan) is as good a feather in his cap as there is. Otherwise, Subz, don't ever tell me/us again about how hard it is to do well as a pacer in Asia. You literally made a post about that not too long ago.

Of course Marshall excelled in Asia but Tendulkar excelled in SENA which is why they are both top of the tree.

Marshall will always have that 'what if?' over how he would do versus his own lineup.

There are no what ifs with Tendulkar. He is proven good.

 

[Slifer]

And I know @Slifer doesn’t rate WI 2000 team but imo Gayle , Chanderpaul, Hooper , Lara and Sarwan are easily better batting line up than any current Team . That WI team underperformed due to mismanagement by WICB

I agree. That's a very good batting lineup actually but the bowling leaves a lot to be desired. That team underperformed because of a lack of bowlers to dismiss the opposition twice. You marry that batting to WI's current bowling and WI would be near unbeatable at home and a touch better away.

 

[Sunil1z]

3 ATG bowlers against whom Tendulkar averaged 50 + ?
Steyn , Warne , Murali

3 ATG batsmen who averaged below 40 against Marshall?
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[HouHsiaoHsien]

3 ATG bowlers against whom Tendulkar averaged 50 + ?
Steyn , Warne , Murali

3 ATG batsmen who averaged below 40 against Marshall?
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What do Border and Miandad average against Marshall(generally asking)?

 

[Slifer]

Tendulkar wasn't bad against any ATG.


Sure but he had plenty of good series. He sacrificed for dominance with more consistency.


Of course Marshall excelled in Asia but Tendulkar excelled in SENA which is why they are both top of the tree.

He didn't sacrifice dominance, he simply failed to do so. The comment about Asia and SENA is fair. No arguments there.

 

[Sunil1z]

What do Border and Miandad average against Marshall(generally asking)?

If you are including Border and Miandad then I will also include Walsh and Ambrose.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

If you are including Border and Miandad then I will also include Walsh.

Dude, I’m generally asking. And Border is an ATG for me. Miandad and Walsh ain’t

 

[kyear2]

I rate him as a better version of Chanderpaul whose average is boosted by huge number of not outs. I know guy made Aus no.1 and he was gutsy but I don’t put him in elite list . I put him in Dravid category.

Oh wow.....

 

[Slifer]

3 ATG bowlers against whom Tendulkar averaged 50 + ?
Steyn , Warne , Murali

3 ATG batsmen who averaged below 40 against Marshall?
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Series where Marshall took more than 25 wkts= 5.

Series where Sachin scored more than 500 runs= 0.

 

[CricketFan90s]

I still did not get the right answer why Richie Benaud ignored Marshall but praised Tendulkar and included him in his All time XI

 

[Slifer]

What do Border and Miandad average against Marshall(generally asking)?

Border 40 odd and I believe Javed 30.

 

[CricketFan90s]