Sachin Tendulkar vs Malcolm Marshall

[Sunil1z]

Two unshakeable reasons Tendulkar is better than Marshall:

Longevity - Nobody can deny this. Far more impressive to maintain worldclass performance for nearly 20 years and 200 tests than an exceptional short term five year peak like Marshall's.

Opposition quality -Tendulkar was just better tested across conditions and more regularly faced worldclass attacks and opposition and was never owned by them. You can pick out the best bats in Marshall's age but the general strength of lineups was ordinary. McGrath definitely faced better standard batting lineups.

I would say 2000-2007 was the golden era of Cricket . Every Team was atleast capable of winning at Home .

 

[subshakerz]

I would say 2000-2007 was the golden era of Cricket . Every Team was atleast capable of winning at Home .

Nah it was the 90s for me.

 

[Slifer]

Just 3 days ago I had made a post in Marshall vs Hobbs thread that I would easily trade both Tendulkar and Dravid for Marshall ( I rate Marshall that highly) . But I don’t think Marshall dominated ATG batsmen like McGrath did or he bowled to very few of them .

McGrath did in fact bowl to more atg batsmen than Marshall yes. Don't disagree. That's why for me, it's a toss up between him Hadlee and Marshall for the goat pace bowler. Marshall bowled to who was put in front of him and did exceedingly well (zero minnow batting lineups). Ambrose played vs more atg batsmen as well but I wouldn't rank him above Marshall for that reason.

 

[Slifer]

So we have clearly established that Marshall didn’t trouble any ATG batsmen . Gavaskar averaged 50 vs him , he never bowled to Viv and Greg Chappell . So he just dominated very good players .

So Allan Border isn't great??

 

[subshakerz]

I know we are very impressed with players dominating. But I am also impressed with players not being dominated, especially if that happens over a long career of someone like Tendulkar. It tells me he had special quality.

 

[Sunil1z]

Nah it was the 90s for me.

Eng , NZ and SL weren’t capable of beating AUS, SA, PAK , WI at home . IND were rubbish overseas in 90s . Whereas in. 2000 all these 4 teams became very good . You can say Pak , SA and WI declined but they were still a good Team .

 

[CricketFan90s]

Two unshakeable reasons Tendulkar is better than Marshall:

Longevity - Nobody can deny this. Far more impressive to maintain worldclass performance for nearly 20 years and 200 tests than an exceptional short term five year peak like Marshall's.

Opposition quality -Tendulkar was just better tested across conditions and more regularly faced worldclass attacks and opposition and was never owned by them. You can pick out the best bats in Marshall's age but the general strength of lineups was ordinary. McGrath definitely faced better standard batting lineups.

Wow nice comment. Marshall is like a guy who had good marital life untill he was active on bed. But Sachin was like a loyal husband taking care of wife in oldage even after good marital life and tried to lead a good post marital life. So my vote for Sachin and McGrath above Marshall.

 

[srbhkshk]

Wow nice comment. Marshall is like a guy who had good marital life untill he was active on bed. But Sachin was like a loyal husband taking care of wife in oldage even after good marital life and tried to lead a good post marital life. So my vote for Sachin and McGrath above Marshall.

I am going to vote for Marshall just because I had to read this ****.

 

[Sunil1z]

So Allan Border isn't great??

I rate him as a better version of Chanderpaul whose average is boosted by huge number of not outs. I know guy made Aus no.1 and he was gutsy but I don’t put him in elite list . I put him in Dravid category.

 

[subshakerz]

I know we are very impressed with players dominating. But I am also impressed with players not being dominated, especially if that happens over a long career of someone like Tendulkar. It tells me he had special quality.

 

[Slifer]

I know we are very impressed with players dominating. But I am also impressed with players not being dominated, especially if that happens over a long career of someone like Tendulkar. It tells me he had special quality.

Sure...

 

[Sunil1z]

And I know @Slifer doesn’t rate WI 2000 team but imo Gayle , Chanderpaul, Hooper , Lara and Sarwan are easily better batting line up than any current Team . That WI team underperformed due to mismanagement by WICB

 

[subshakerz]

Sure...

Well, Tendulkar faced Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Warne, Murali, Bond, Steyn, McGrath, Ambrose, Walsh, Shoaib and others, and at the end of his career none of these worldclass bowlers can claim they had the wood over Tendulkar.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Sure...

@Slifer longevity with consistency is a direct result of Better Batting Techniques and Sachin had that. Marshall flopped in New Zealand doesn’t mean he was a bad bowler.

 

[Slifer]

Two unshakeable reasons Tendulkar is better than Marshall:

Longevity - Nobody can deny this. Far more impressive to maintain worldclass performance for nearly 20 years and 200 tests than an exceptional short term five year peak like Marshall's.

Opposition quality -Tendulkar was just better tested across conditions and more regularly faced worldclass attacks and opposition and was never owned by them. You can pick out the best bats in Marshall's age but the general strength of lineups was ordinary. McGrath definitely faced better standard batting lineups.

Fair argument but argument falls flat on its face and here's why. Walsh faced excellent Indian, Australian, Pakistan and South African lineups and had success at some point vs all. Nobody would dare mention Malcolm in the same breath as Malcolm.

 

[subshakerz]

McGrath did in fact bowl to more atg batsmen than Marshall yes. Don't disagree. That's why for me, it's a toss up between him Hadlee and Marshall for the goat pace bowler. Marshall bowled to who was put in front of him and did exceedingly well (zero minnow batting lineups). Ambrose played vs more atg batsmen as well but I wouldn't rank him above Marshall for that reason.

Just to be clear, this batting lineup issue is a very minor point and I agree, but it matters when we are selectively effectively the best specialist after Bradman.

 

[subshakerz]

Fair argument but argument falls flat on its face and here's why. Walsh faced excellent Indian, Australian, Pakistan and South African lineups and had success at some point vs all. Nobody would dare mention Malcolm in the same breath as Malcolm.

Course not. Walsh wasn't ATG level to begin with, much less top tier. I wouldn't even use this argument to suggest McGrath is better than Marshall as the latter simply has more all-round skill.

In this case we are trying to separate the best of the best of the best of specialists, two inseparable cricketers, so minor points like this matter.

 

[CricketFan90s]

To be honest it’s a close call between Tendulkar and Marshall as both were selected in wisden team of the century.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I rate him as a better version of Chanderpaul whose average is boosted by huge number of not outs. I know guy made Aus no.1 and he was gutsy but I don’t put him in elite list . I put him in Dravid category.

@Burgey

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Two unshakeable reasons Tendulkar is better than Marshall:

Longevity - Nobody can deny this. Far more impressive to maintain worldclass performance for nearly 20 years and 200 tests than an exceptional short term five year peak like Marshall's.

Opposition quality -Tendulkar was just better tested across conditions and more regularly faced worldclass attacks and opposition and was never owned by them. You can pick out the best bats in Marshall's age but the general strength of lineups was ordinary. McGrath definitely faced better standard batting lineups.

For, firstly Marshall’s peak of 6 WPM, and brilliance in all conditions, from 1983-88 while bowling in some of the most competitive attacks ever. This is more concentrated greatness that Sachin managed in any 5/6 year peak.
Secondly, Marshall’s sub 25 average everywhere except NZ, is slightly more impressive than Sachin’s 45+ averages everywhere except Pakistan.