Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

[Pothas]

I used to totally go along with the Barrington was not that great thing but I just can't see any reason for this now.

 

[Coronis]

I used to totally go along with the Barrington was not that great thing but I just can't see any reason for this now.

Welcome friend

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Some would be furious that Kallis is ranked ahead of Pollock, Chappell, Sangakarra, Border et al.

Not furious, but surprised

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I am furious that Greg Chappell has been ranked ahead of Border.

I'd probably have Chappell over Border usually, but only if you include his WSC exploits. Harder to justify for a "only Tests count" list.

 

[kyear2]

I'd probably have Chappell over Border usually, but only if you include his WSC exploits. Harder to justify for a "only Tests count" list.

Yeah, I've found that is what also pushes him up for me. If you could thrive in that environment, you have to be special.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Some would be furious that Kallis is ranked ahead of Pollock, Chappell, Sangakarra, Border et al.

Not just Kallis, but Ponting as well.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Hammond’s record against Larwood isn’t bad. Keith Miller thanked Lindwall, agreeing he couldn’t get a ball past Hammond and this was a 43 year old guy way past his peak.

Walter wasn’t as comfortable against express pace but same applies for Lara. Doesn’t mean he couldn’t play them anyway. As for playing spin, Hammond is probably the Best player of spin ever, bar none.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

If Ponting or Smith were playing back then, they'd have averaged 75+ imo.

If Hammond was playing right now with bats bigger than trees and batsman walking in grounds with 10kg of safety equipment he would be averaging 75+ as well.

 

[Victor Ian]

It might be true that modern players are physically stronger. But what about mentally? It's the mental side of things that makes the greats.

 

[Coronis]

It might be true that modern players are physically stronger. But what about mentally? It's the mental side of things that makes the greats.

Lets be real modern athletes are ****ing trainwrecks mentally.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

It might be true that modern players are physically stronger. But what about mentally? It's the mental side of things that makes the greats.

Modern players are probably not physically stronger than Hammond anyway. Walter was 6 ft 2-3 inch guy built like an absolute tank. Arguably the best physique among any cricketer.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

 

[Socerer 01]

Lets be real modern athletes are ****ing trainwrecks mentally.

peak boomer take

 

[OverratedSanity]

Never said he didn't, but not as good as what Viv and Lara in particular faced.

Lindwall and Miller, Ramadhin and Valentine, a little of Davidson.

Again, he also didn't dominate any of those attacks.

Nah this is completely wrong. Hutton faced extremely strong Australia attacks in 1948, 50/51 and 53 which had some combination of Lindwall/Miller/Johnson/Johnston/Toshack/Davidson/Benaud and did well in all of those series. Those attacks are as good or better on paper than anything Viv succeeded against in his career imo.

In the 1953 Ashes, he got ~450 runs @55 when no player from either side managed even an average of 40.

In the 50/51 Ashes, he scored 533@88 in a very low scoring series where the rest of the English batsmen got dominated ( no one from his team averaged 40). How does this not count as a dominant series? Just because he didn't hit enough fours? It's one of the most impressive batting series against a great attack in cricket history.

 

[kyear2]

If Hammond was playing right now with bats bigger than trees and batsman walking in grounds with 10kg of safety equipment he would be averaging 75+ as well.

Have to disagree on that one, just based on the fact that he played in a weak era with the flattest of of pitches and still didn't average 75.

I do believe that he's well earned his top 10 spot and I've enjoyed some of the recent writeups by you and @peterhrt . As a cricketer I absolutely adore his skill set.

 

[kyear2]

Nah this is completely wrong. Hutton faced extremely strong Australia attacks in 1958, 50/51 and 53 which had some combination of Lindwall/Miller/Johnson/Johnston/Toshack/Davidson/Benaud and did well in all of those series. Those attacks are as good or better on paper than anything Viv succeeded against in his career imo.

In the 1953 Ashes, he got ~450 runs @55 when no player from either side managed even an average of 40.

In the 50/51 Ashes, he scored 533@88 in a very low scoring series where the rest of the English batsmen got dominated ( no one from his team averaged 40). How does this not count as a dominant series? Just because he didn't hit enough fours? It's one of the most impressive batting series against a great attack in cricket history.

Did say he didn't score well, and again, I think he's the 8th best batsman of all time. I'm saying if he was criticized in his own era for again, not dominating the attacks and sometimes being dictated by them and not setting the tempo, that's a slight negative in my book.

Not suggesting he wants great, but for me there's something to being able to change gears and take over a session or game, I've always been consistent about that.

 

[Victor Ian]

peak boomer take

lol. a boomer would just let that pass through to the keeper instead of being taunted into a rash response like this.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Boomers: notorious for not getting taunted easily

 

[Sunil1z]

What is this forum opinion about Kohli vs Miandad ? I know there was a poll which ended at tie . But what is general opinion.

 

[Sunil1z]

In next round of voting , my preference will be
Younis > Root > Kohli = Miandad > Williamson