***Official*** IPL 2024

[Silver Silva]

Mayank down on pace big time. Got an industrial amount of hairspray on which may be slowing him down.

Oh that's sad, hope he can recover soon

 

[howszat]

Sad to hear about his injury.

 

[Socerer 01]

Not really. T20 sides can and do collapse. And Siraj and Topley can bowl spells taking a lot of wickets.

this is the thing that others are alluding to, relying on a bowler to do their magic spell and win matches in one swoop doesnt always happen in t20s due to the nature of the format, shorter boundaries and roads for pitches. equally relying on the opposition to **** up in the absence of scoreboard pressure and a weaker bowling unit is not a consistent winning strategy either

that England odi team is the perfect eg of this, they knew their bowling attack was **** until Archer’s intro and Wood’s revival so they always aimed to score above par to make up for the difference. they would always lose 1 match in every jamodi series embarrassingly in a way no other country ever would but they would still win nearly all series. worst case scenario if rcb does this is lose 3 matches a bit embarrassingly but they’ll win 1 for sure, its more of a hit on nrr like i said but you have to be winning matches at the end of the day before you start worrying about nrr

 

[Xix2565]

RCB Men could stand to learn from how the Women planned and prepared this season if they couldn't bother learning after 17 years from the likes of CSK/MI. Else they should be disbanded and keep the Women only for the WPL.

 

[honestbharani]

this is the thing that others are alluding to, relying on a bowler to do their magic spell and win matches in one swoop doesnt always happen in t20s due to the nature of the format, shorter boundaries and roads for pitches. equally relying on the opposition to **** up in the absence of scoreboard pressure and a weaker bowling unit is not a consistent winning strategy either

that England odi team is the perfect eg of this, they knew their bowling attack was **** until Archer’s intro and Wood’s revival so they always aimed to score above par to make up for the difference. they would always lose 1 match in every jamodi series embarrassingly in a way no other country ever would but they would still win nearly all series. worst case scenario if rcb does this is lose 3 matches a bit embarrassingly but they’ll win 1 for sure, its more of a hit on nrr like i said but you have to be winning matches at the end of the day before you start worrying about nrr

But you are not relying on a bowler. You are simply giving yourself the best possible shot. Its not difficult to comprehend.

 

[Socerer 01]

But you are not relying on a bowler. You are simply giving yourself the best possible shot. Its not difficult to comprehend.

you did say that Topley or Siraj having a great spell, that is relying on a bowler bro

do you really think the best shot is trying to score just about or below par and trying to defend it with the weakest and most dysfunctional bowling lineup while having a home ground thats a postage stamp?

or is it trying to keep that in mind and take risks to score above par because that makes up for that weaker attack while also entertaining the possibility of having days where you’ll be well below par?

because if its the former then we have ideological differences here. i also think even in the latter’s failure scenarios you still have a shot via 1 bowler turning up and running through the opponent which is what you suggested is one of the possibilities for the former

 

[Socerer 01]

RCB Men could stand to learn from how the Women planned and prepared this season if they couldn't bother learning after 17 years from the likes of CSK/MI. Else they should be disbanded and keep the Women only for the WPL.

no team is going to have success trying to replicate csk, what they have and do is beyond science really

 

[honestbharani]

you did say that Topley or Siraj having a great spell, that is relying on a bowler bro

do you really think the best shot is trying to score just about or below par and trying to defend it with the weakest and most dysfunctional bowling lineup while having a home ground thats a postage stamp?

or is it trying to keep that in mind and take risks to score above par because that makes up for that weaker attack while also entertaining the possibility of having days where you’ll be well below par?

because if its the former then we have ideological differences here. i also think even in the latter’s failure scenarios you still have a shot via 1 bowler turning up and running through the opponent which is what you suggested is one of the possibilities for the former

What I mean is 1% chance is better than 0% chance. Its not like opposition cant collapse on their own either in T20s.

The simple issue is their bowling attack was pop gun and that has been evident from the auction. But given the line up they had and the form of the other batsmen, their best chance was to get a competitive total (and I maintain it was above par for that track) and see if their bowlers have a good day. They did not and hence, they lost.

That pitch was not far from what we saw yesterday at Lucknow and you saw how that went. Its pretty idiotic to blame the one guy who scored runs at pace when the rest did not score runs and took far longer scoring whatever they did.

 

[Xix2565]

You're not more likely to get competitive totals with batting slowdowns and such. Have to take risks to score more else you get results like RCB have. Even then, what is stopping the likes of Kohli/Faf/anchor types from going harder once set? These types feast in the powerplay only to slow down in the middle overs for no real reason, which isn't good T20 cricket. Especially if they know the rest of the batting isn't great, then they have to maximize their own resources they use (balls) to get as much runs as possible by themselves for the team. That shouldn't mean they should slow down at all.

 

[Socerer 01]

What I mean is 1% chance is better than 0% chance. Its not like opposition cant collapse on their own either in T20s.

The simple issue is their bowling attack was pop gun and that has been evident from the auction. But given the line up they had and the form of the other batsmen, their best chance was to get a competitive total (and I maintain it was above par for that track) and see if their bowlers have a good day. They did not and hence, they lost.

That pitch was not far from what we saw yesterday at Lucknow and you saw how that went. Its pretty idiotic to blame the one guy who scored runs at pace when the rest did not score runs and took far longer scoring whatever they did.

dude no opposition is collapsing on their own chasing par totals unless Jay Shah cooked some new script like redditors claim

you’re admitting that their bowling is **** but you’re still adamant on wanting them to hopefully have a good day contrary to their usual? thats optimistic af, its evidently not working either judging from other losses

im not blaming Kohli just like i didnt blame Finch for that series. its not Kohli who has to be calculating the optimal runs needed per over, that has to come from the dugout and they’re evidently in the belief that this is their best strategy since its happened twice now and their table position indicates that it isnt a winning idea. i dont even buy that their bowling attack is significantly worse than a lineup like csk’s, csk just make better use of their bowling resources

 

[honestbharani]

dude no opposition is collapsing on their own chasing par totals unless Jay Shah cooked some new script like redditors claim

you’re admitting that their bowling is **** but you’re still adamant on wanting them to hopefully have a good day contrary to their usual? thats optimistic af, its evidently not working either judging from other losses

im not blaming Kohli just like i didnt blame Finch for that series. its not Kohli who has to be calculating the optimal runs needed per over, that has to come from the dugout and they’re evidently in the belief that this is their best strategy since its happened twice now and their table position indicates that it isnt a winning idea. i dont even buy that their bowling attack is significantly worse than a lineup like csk’s, csk just make better use of their bowling resources

Yeah but 184 was not sub par. It was above par and teams can and do collapse. All it takes is for one of those inswingers from Topley to get Samson and Butler's edges and you are talking something different entirely.

And CSK has a far better balanced bowling attack. Remember they did not have two key bowlers last game and honestly if they were there, think they wud have won.

 

[Xix2565]

I mean the RCB run rate across 1-6/7-12/13-20 over spans was 8.8/9/9.5. RR managed 9/11.7/8.1 over the same periods. That 7-12 over span where RCB barely raised the run rate when they were capable of doing so (both batters having faced enough balls to be set, no wickets falling) was killer. That's not going to get you above par totals if you don't take advantage of such a situation. Look at how MI and LSG basically doubled their totals from the 12 over mark to the end of their innings despite having lost wickets prior and since that point. Even DC could've had a chance to win their match if they had gone harder earlier on where they managed 30 runs less than MI in the powerplay, since they have the capability to fire later on which we saw.

This talk about other players being out of form can only go so far as well, if the others aren't picking up the slack, then they clearly need more time to get in, which means more balls for them to use up. This then means the set players shouldn't be using up as many balls to make their runs, which then leads to them having to play faster to make life easier for other players (tactical mistakes aside). Is this line of thought crazy really? Isn't it a good thing if the set batters go harder and make room for others to play their way in if they can't all go hard immediately? The game asks for proactivity now, not reactivity.

 

[honestbharani]

his then means the set players shouldn't be using up as many balls to make their runs,

Set players cant remain set players if they get out. Its honestly not difficult to understand.

 

[Xix2565]

Set players cant remain set players if they get out. Its honestly not difficult to understand.

Staying in and wasting deliveries isn't difficult to get either though.

 

[honestbharani]

Staying in and wasting deliveries isn't difficult to get either though.

156 SR > 110 SR is also not difficult to get.

 

[Silver Silva]

RCB's biggest problem is player recruitment which I think stops them from playing braver cricket..

Look at their top 10 all time highest run scorers :
1.Kohli 2.De Villiers 3.Gayle 4.Du Plessis 5.Kallis 6.Maxwell 7.Dravid 8.Paddikkal 9.Dilshan 10.Taylor

7 of the top 10 are foreigners in a league where you can only play 4 overseas players at a time...
What's worse is that Dravid and Kallis aren't T20 icons yet they make RCB top 10, in fact Kallis and Faf are bigger legends at other franchises (KKR & CSK respectively) .

This backs up the point made earlier that RCB don't invest in Indian batsmen, which means you basically have a whole bunch of insecure indian players star gazing at Kohli & ABD/Gayle/Faf for 16 years then you wonder why they can't win anything. Most important part of cricket is confidence and stability, RCB have made their franchise all about overseas individuals and Kohli.

 

[Prince EWS]

Sad to hear about his injury.

Hairspray injury?

 

[honestbharani]

RCB's biggest problem is player recruitment which I think stops them from playing braver cricket..

Look at their top 10 all time highest run scorers :
1.Kohli 2.De Villiers 3.Gayle 4.Du Plessis 5.Kallis 6.Maxwell 7.Dravid 8.Paddikkal 9.Dilshan 10.Taylor

7 of the top 10 are foreigners in a league where you can only play 4 overseas players at a time...
What's worse is that Dravid and Kallis aren't T20 icons yet they make RCB top 10, in fact Kallis and Faf are bigger legends at other franchises (KKR & CSK respectively) .

This backs up the point made earlier that RCB don't invest in Indian batsmen, which means you basically have a whole bunch of insecure indian players star gazing at Kohli & ABD/Gayle/Faf for 16 years then you wonder why they can't win anything. Most important part of cricket is confidence and stability, RCB have made their franchise all about overseas individuals and Kohli.

Their owner is known to splurge for glitz and glamour, among other things. Its not a coincidence the team is basically an image of the owner.

 

[Xix2565]

156 SR > 110 SR is also not difficult to get.

That 156 SR could've been higher since he slowed down in the middle to around 100 SR. If he kept going at his pace from the powerplay it would be in excess of 170 overall. Was 24 (16) with 4 boundaries in the first 4 overs, then went 28 (23) with 3 boundaries to get to his 50 in the 11th over. That's not good batting in the T20 format. If he'd kept up the RR and then kicked on it would've been much better for the team. Especially given the struggles of the other batters.

 

[honestbharani]

Dude, you are just pushing your own biased views as if they are facts.

The only fact here is he scored at a rate much higher than the other batters and did it for a much longer time at the crease than anyone else did. You can talk about ifs and buts, but to me, he got them to a higher than par score and that is a plus as far as I am concerned from my batting side.