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Virat Kohli vs AB de Villiers (ODIs)

Who is the better ODI batsman?


  • Total voters
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blackdevil95

Cricket Spectator
and before you say SRT has less failures overall, I’ll just say he failed in both finals which is more significant than failing in SF/QF
SRT is a failure ??

141 vs Aus in CT 1998 knockout
53 vs Aus 2011 QF
85 vs Pak 2011 SF

His overall stats is better than Kohli in ODI knockouts. But in one thing both are common. Both chokes outside Asian pitches when faced good pace attack.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
I think he is counting the QFs as well. But I take offense on calling the 2011 Final meh. It wasn't Gilchrist in 2007 Final, but without that partnership, I doubt whether had won that WC.
Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.
 

blackdevil95

Cricket Spectator
Sure, but it was not one handed, and Miller had the greater contribution.
When AB came to bat it was 114 in 26.5 overs. When Miller came to bat AB had already scored 60 off 38 balls. There was rain forecast even before the match begun. The match already begun with a run rate pressure and AB came to bat at the worst possible situation. Now just keep Virat Kohli in that position. Can he do what AB did? He can score at a strike rate of 150+ against NZ at their own backyards ??
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
SRT is a failure ??

141 vs Aus in CT 1998 knockout
53 vs Aus 2011 QF
85 vs Pak 2011 SF

His overall stats is better than Kohli in ODI knockouts. But in one thing both are common. Both chokes outside Asian pitches when faced good pace attack.
And failures in both finals. That’s massive, much bigger than SF failures. Don’t lump Sharjah and CT‘s with WCs. And Kohli’s got a good innings in final, one decent one and one brilliant SF.
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
When AB came to bat it was 114 in 26.5 overs. When Miller came to bat AB had already scored 60 off 38 balls. There was rain forecast even before the match begun. The match already begun with a run rate pressure and AB came to bat at the worst possible situation. Now just keep Virat Kohli in that position. Can he do what AB did? He can score at a strike rate of 150+ against NZ at their own backyards ??
Yes. Ab should have gone about Roussow, wromg decision as captain, lost them that match as they were very slow in the first 27 overs. His 65(45) could have been 130(80) and won them that match
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
SRT is a failure ??

141 vs Aus in CT 1998 knockout
53 vs Aus 2011 QF
85 vs Pak 2011 SF

His overall stats is better than Kohli in ODI knockouts. But in one thing both are common. Both chokes outside Asian pitches when faced good pace attack.
No, Kohli is brilliant everywhere, and specifically done amazingly in SA
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.
India lost the first two wickets quickly. Chasing 275 in a WC Final, it was the partnership between Gambhir and Kohli that turned the tide of the game. Ofcourse, Dhoni was the hero and Gambhir should had been had not been out the most infuriating way imaginable; but Kohli and Gambhir's partnership set the tempo.
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.
it was overshadowed by Dhoni and Gambhir’s scores but without Kohli’s stabilising knock intervening neither would have ended up in the 90s given the nature of the final at the point Kohli walked in, it was his first senior world cup and he didnt look fazed, contrast that with dudes like Gill in 2023 and Pant in 2019

hell we would have had a better shot in 2019 and 2023 if we had someone give a similar recovery knock from no 4
 

Coronis

International Coach
CC posters in a nutshell

Just go to statsguru, take bowlers across nations who averages less than 30 or around in the period of AB and Kohli. Check the stats of both against them. AB has better stats. And if you name 10 good bowlers Kohli faced, I will name 15 good bowlers AB faced. AB has faced more number of bowlers throughout his career.
I won't let stats fool me.
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.

Others have said it too but that innings was worth it's weight in gold and far far better than the scorecard can ever tell you.
 

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Sachin
Viv

AB

Only these 3 batsmen managed Superb Avg + Superb Strike rate + longevity.

Kohli ( Basically less aggressive Sachin )
 

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Who is 5th now?

Bevan I guess

with D Jones, Dhoni, and Ponting just behind
Dhoni
Dhoni = 90% Bevan + 90% Klusner
His stats would have been better if played more in top order.

Zaheer Abbas statistically matches top 3 ( Sachin, Viv and AB ) with his extra ordinary avg + Extra ordinary SR combo, unfortunately he didn't play enough.
 

cristak

Cricket Spectator
I can't trust Kohli against a quality pace attack in fast pitches. He usually bashes mediacore bowlers. AB all the way for me.
But why make it just about "against high quality pace on high pace pitches" when Abd grown up playing exactly that ?

And even if we go that way here are the top bowlers they faced:
Abd vs Starc: never got out to him.
Abd vs Josh: 25
Abd vs Shami: 35
Abd vs Patt: 15
Abd vs Malinga: 100+
Abd vs Boult:29.5
Abd vs Johnson:49


For Kohli:
Josh: 11
Starc: 156
Dale:33
Morne:24
Rabada:69
Patt:87
Malinga:100+
Boult: 54
Johnson: 83

So how come Kohli is the weaker one here ??
Abd surely faced more guys but he also faced a **** Indian line up to feed while Kohli was going up against one of the best attacks with Steyn,Morne,Tahir too. Some of it can be attributed to India playing on spin/flatter surfaces and Abd having SA aa his home but the difference in some players are way too large(Johnson, Starc,Boult etc).
The only thing that's purely on Abd's side here is that he played Murli and one 2 other guys.

Apart from that in WCs:
Against top nations of his time(Eng+Ind+Aus+NZ+Pak+SL) Abd's stats are: 433 runs @ 43.3 average and 104.5sr with 4 50s.

While Kohli's stats for WC against top nations of his time(SENA+Pak) are: 908 runs @ 50.4 and 85.4sr with 3 tons and 6 50s.

Along with the fact that Kohli got 1wc and 1 MOT with decent performance in both his finals.

And I don't think I need to even call up for CTs as Kohli is just miles ahead there.
 

PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
But why make it just about "against high quality pace on high pace pitches" when Abd grown up playing exactly that ?

And even if we go that way here are the top bowlers they faced:
Abd vs Starc: never got out to him.
Abd vs Josh: 25
Abd vs Shami: 35
Abd vs Patt: 15
Abd vs Malinga: 100+
Abd vs Boult:29.5
Abd vs Johnson:49


For Kohli:
Josh: 11
Starc: 156
Dale:33
Morne:24
Rabada:69
Patt:87
Malinga:100+
Boult: 54
Johnson: 83

So how come Kohli is the weaker one here ??
Abd surely faced more guys but he also faced a **** Indian line up to feed while Kohli was going up against one of the best attacks with Steyn,Morne,Tahir too. Some of it can be attributed to India playing on spin/flatter surfaces and Abd having SA aa his home but the difference in some players are way too large(Johnson, Starc,Boult etc).
The only thing that's purely on Abd's side here is that he played Murli and one 2 other guys.

Apart from that in WCs:
Against top nations of his time(Eng+Ind+Aus+NZ+Pak+SL) Abd's stats are: 433 runs @ 43.3 average and 104.5sr with 4 50s.

While Kohli's stats for WC against top nations of his time(SENA+Pak) are: 908 runs @ 50.4 and 85.4sr with 3 tons and 6 50s.

Along with the fact that Kohli got 1wc and 1 MOT with decent performance in both his finals.

And I don't think I need to even call up for CTs as Kohli is just miles ahead there.
Welcome to the forum
 

blackdevil95

Cricket Spectator
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But why make it just about "against high quality pace on high pace pitches" when Abd grown up playing exactly that ?

And even if we go that way here are the top bowlers they faced:
Abd vs Starc: never got out to him.
Abd vs Josh: 25
Abd vs Shami: 35
Abd vs Patt: 15
Abd vs Malinga: 100+
Abd vs Boult:29.5
Abd vs Johnson:49


For Kohli:
Josh: 11
Starc: 156
Dale:33
Morne:24
Rabada:69
Patt:87
Malinga:100+
Boult: 54
Johnson: 83

So how come Kohli is the weaker one here ??
Abd surely faced more guys but he also faced a **** Indian line up to feed while Kohli was going up against one of the best attacks with Steyn,Morne,Tahir too. Some of it can be attributed to India playing on spin/flatter surfaces and Abd having SA aa his home but the difference in some players are way too large(Johnson, Starc,Boult etc).
The only thing that's purely on Abd's side here is that he played Murli and one 2 other guys.

Apart from that in WCs:
Against top nations of his time(Eng+Ind+Aus+NZ+Pak+SL) Abd's stats are: 433 runs @ 43.3 average and 104.5sr with 4 50s.

While Kohli's stats for WC against top nations of his time(SENA+Pak) are: 908 runs @ 50.4 and 85.4sr with 3 tons and 6 50s.

Along with the fact that Kohli got 1wc and 1 MOT with decent performance in both his finals.

And I don't think I need to even call up for CTs as Kohli is just miles ahead there.

I don't think the stats you are putting are in SENA pitches.

And by the way, coming to ICC events part, Kohli is being exaggerated with the stats. For AB, ICC events are of high pressure due to their pathetic display of batting. Kohli in ICC ODI events had great batsmen around him. Dhawan, Rohit. Earlier Sachin, Yuvraj. Kohli was not even the best for India in ODI ICC events but AB was for South Africa.

And CTs?? 😅

AB was the only half centurion with 54 in 2006 CT vs SL in tough pitch against Vaas, Murali. SA scored just 219.

He was the only half centurion in 2009 CT vs NZ while chasing around 220 something. SA won by 5 wickets. He was the saviour.

He scored 46 in CT 2006 Semifinal vs WI but got run out. SA lost 3 wickets after that in 39 runs. SA scored 258/8.

And he scored 70 vs India in 300+ chase in 2013 CT.

Can you tell except 2013 final, Kohli's one great performance under pressure in CTs ??. Even that he played because of T20 format. He fails under pressure in many times in ODIs. Same pattern goes to ODI WC as well.

His stats are great because unbeaten scoring in useless 180 chases after coming at a comfortable situation. Lol

So stats lie here.

And what coming to playing in SENA vs good pace attack, AB is definitely better.
 
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cristak

Cricket Spectator
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"I don't think the stats you are putting are in SENA pitches."
Yeah they aren't just from SENA but the difference in some of them is just too big to say "yeah well pitches" because Abd too played on flat era just like Kohli and had his proper peak after 2011 too.


"And by the way, coming to ICC events part, Kohli is being exaggerated with the stats. For AB, ICC events are of high pressure due to their pathetic display of batting."
A battinf line up with Amla(second coming of Kohli), Faf, Miller is a "pathetic" one ? Seriously dude you are just breaking reality breaks here with this.


" Kohli in ICC ODI events had great batsmen around him. Dhawan, Rohit. Earlier Sachin, Yuvraj. Kohli was not even the best for India in ODI ICC events but AB was for South Africa."

Having "better batters" around you doesn't really equate to this much gulf between runs and average. Sachin averages 50 with 85sr(3 tons and 9 50s) against SENA+Pak+SL in his time when he had **** batting partners. Kane averages 65 against SEIA+Pak in WCs too with worse line up. Your excuse doesn't hold true here bud.
And CTs?? 😅

"AB was the only half centurion with 54 in 2006 CT vs SL in tough pitch against Vaas, Murali. SA scored just 219."
So 1 innings just makes him better when he averages just 43 against top teams in all the WCs he played ??


"He scored 46 in CT 2006 Semifinal vs WI but got run out. SA lost 3 wickets after that in 39 runs. SA scored 258/8."
And WI had great "pacers" in that match like your first guidline of "against high quality pace"

"And he scored 70 vs India in 300+ chase in 2013 CT." Mclaren made 71 on that pitch and Indian attack was made up of Ishant,Bhuvi,Umesh,Jaddu and Ashwin. This is the high quality attack we are talking about here ?
I mean even Kohli made a 70+ when India was 7/1 and then12/2 against WI but the attack was just mid like India's lol.


"Can you tell except 2013 final, Kohli's one great performance under pressure in CTs ??. Even that he played because of T20 format.
The only "great" performance for Abd is that SL inning only. The WI and Ind one are failure ones along with the fact that the bowling attack was mid as hell. I mean you literally inflated the gig with "high quality" and difficult bowlers then chose absolutely normal pitches and mid attacks to showcase as Abd was fighting dragons.

"He fails under pressure in many times in ODIs. Same pattern goes to ODI WC as well."
For sure he did. 15semis, 17finals and 19semis are his **** ups but he still got 11 and 13 as decent performance either against a decent attack or on difficult pitch(13)

"His stats are great because unbeaten scoring in useless 180 chases after coming at a comfortable situation. Lol"
??? In WCs both Abd and Kohli has 1 NO against top teams where Abd averages 43.3 and Virat is at 50+.
In RPI too Kohli is at 49+ while Abd is at 45.
And what's this mental gymnastics of useless 180 chases after coming at a comfortable situation lol ?



"So stats lie here."
No they don't. It's a different case if you want to be blind though.


"And what coming to playing in SENA vs good pace attack, AB is definitely better."
Uhh then why he is behind Kohli in WCs ? Why he is so much behind against top pacers ? I mean a pitch can give you 2-5 average difference not a ****ing 10-40
 

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