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Debate thread for 2024 ranking of bowlers poll

capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

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Xix2565 said:
If it's to do with the shots being played, then there is a visible effect of T20 cricket, though that can also be attributed to the development in ODI cricket over a longer period. I've not denied this anywhere to be honest.

If it's to with batting averages in general I can point to pitch conditions around the world in the past few years, the general record of bowlers during said period, the developments in bowling skills like the wobble seam becoming widespread and so on that suggest other factors have had a larger negative effect on Test batting records than people playing more T20 cricket.
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How does any of this proves though that T20 haven't affected Tests negatively??
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:
How does any of this proves though that T20 haven't affected Tests negatively??
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what does wobble seam’s rise, test bowling pitches becoming spicier to encourage more attention being paid to tests by cricket fans and to encourage more results have anything to do with t20s??
 
Line and Length

Line and Length

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I thought this thread was about comments on our current bowling poll. Instead it's become a debate about Test standards and the effect of t20s on batting. Everyone is entitled to opinions but this has become a discussion on whose opinion is fact and whose is not.
@Xix2565 you have had a lot to say on these off the thread's theme. Why not start a new thread rather than contributing to the drowning of the original OP?
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
Line and Length said:
I thought this thread was about comments on our current bowling poll. Instead it's become a debate about Test standards and the effect of t20s on batting. Everyone is entitled to opinions but this has become a discussion on whose opinion is fact and whose is not.
@Xix2565 you have had a lot to say on these off the thread's theme. Why not start a new thread rather than contributing to the drowning of the original OP?
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if we had to start a new thread everytime a thread on this forum is derailed we would have to start 10 new threads everyday :laugh:

but i sympathise with u, you’re doing a great job conducting a poll and its annoying to see a side branch of your main thread deviate so heavily
 
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Xix2565

International Regular
Line and Length said:
I thought this thread was about comments on our current bowling poll. Instead it's become a debate about Test standards and the effect of t20s on batting. Everyone is entitled to opinions but this has become a discussion on whose opinion is fact and whose is not.
@Xix2565 you have had a lot to say on these off the thread's theme. Why not start a new thread rather than contributing to the drowning of the original OP?
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Alright, I'll stop here then.
 
Sunil1z

Sunil1z

International Regular
Line and Length said:
I thought this thread was about comments on our current bowling poll. Instead it's become a debate about Test standards and the effect of t20s on batting. Everyone is entitled to opinions but this has become a discussion on whose opinion is fact and whose is not.
@Xix2565 you have had a lot to say on these off the thread's theme. Why not start a new thread rather than contributing to the drowning of the original OP?
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I think that poll is Dead now imo . I mean does it matter who is 41st ATG bowler and who is 48 th ?
 
TheJediBrah

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Xix2565 said:
Does a batter's mean ability to handle conditions not reflect in their batting averages? I thought the two points were inseparable.
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No, they aren't. You can have a reduced ability of Test batsmen to handle difficult conditions without a reduction in overall average. It can be counter-balanced by other factors like bigger bats, smaller boundaries, enhanced strokeplay and scoring rates.

Look at England's tour of Pakistan. I would not trust those bats on a green top but on the roads they got over there the made like 350 in 2 sessions.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
To go back on topic, and to stick to one country’s bowling, I find it odd that Jadeja is rated above Dev and Kumble. I get what the numbers say but just doesn’t feel right.

Also Botham massively underrated. No universe were Verity, Bedser and Statham are better bowlers for England than Botham.
 
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