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How does Ravindra Jadeja compare with Kapil Dev and Ian Botham ( Tests)

Jadeja vs Kapil vs Botham- the better A/R

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CricAddict

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
OverratedSanity said:
Yes fair. On batting, I firmly believe Botham is far far better than his average indicates and significantly better than the other two. He is a better batsman than even Imran who averages almost 38. I think people really underestimate how insane it is for a bowling all rounder to score 14 hundreds.

This also does not indicate Jadeja disrespect at all. Botham just has some insane numbers.
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Botham is feast or famine just like Stokes while Jadeja is pretty consistent and fails quite rarely which reflects in their respective averages. I am fine with you rating Botham's batting ahead of Jadeja while I don't. But it is the three >>> symbols which I found unfair and it discredits so many match saving/match winning innings that Jadeja has rendered in partnership with Pant in the last few years.
 
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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
Kapil > Botham > Jadeja

Kapil was a one man army in bowling ...Easily a 26.25-26.75 range bowler when compared to Botham .Had provided some stats w.r.t the work density & support bowling factors of Kapil related to those of Botham, so not repeating here. More over Kapil had ATG record vs Windies in Windies where as Botham fell apart. In batting too Kapil had str: of 81 to Botham's 61 to compensate for the slightly dip in average. Again it is meaningless to
compare them on the basis of no: of 100s because Kapil batted at 7th position to Botham's 6th. Here in batting too, Kapil more or less maintained his normal standard vs Windies in Windies where as Botham fell apart. In fielding Botham was a specialist slip catcher where as Kapil was a brilliant allround fielder. In captaincy too Kapil was better atleast slightly . So he wins.

Jadeja as of now is inferior to both. A spin bowling all rounder always have that extra breathing space when compared to medium fast/fast bowler.
So his batting credentials should have been a bit better to match the other 2. Again his average is boosted by huge number of not outs.He lacks longevity either. In bowling , he lacks longevity, had always great bowling support etc etc. Being a spinner helped him too.Easily a better fielder than the other 2. But over all, he as of now lacks behind both of them .
 
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Majestic

U19 Captain
OverratedSanity said:
Yes fair. On batting, I firmly believe Botham is far far better than his average indicates and significantly better than the other two. He is a better batsman than even Imran who averages almost 38. I think people really underestimate how insane it is for a bowling all rounder to score 14 hundreds.

This also does not indicate Jadeja disrespect at all. Botham just has some insane numbers.
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Botham is a better batter than Imran simply because Imran's average itself is highly inflated. He had luxury of boosting his stats by not outs and those not outs were like 20 and 30 not outs.

I would say, if we have to adjust all factors and everything into consideration, their batting averages would be :-

Botham 36
Jadeja 34
Imran 33
Kapil 33
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Majestic said:
Botham is a better batter than Imran simply because Imran's average itself is highly inflated. He had luxury of boosting his stats by not outs and those not outs were like 20 and 30 not outs.

I would say, if we have to adjust all factors and everything into consideration, their batting averages would be :-

Botham 36
Jadeja 34
Imran 33
Kapil 33
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You're kidding yourself if you think Jadeja is a better bat than Imran.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
You're kidding yourself if you think Jadeja is a better bat than Imran.
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yet another comment made without basis

Jadeja has more 50+ scores in fewer tests, better performance home and away against the best opponents of his time, overa better performance away, more high quality innings under pressure
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
ma1978 said:
yet another comment made without basis

Jadeja has more 50+ scores in fewer tests, better performance home and away against the best opponents of his time, overa better performance away, more high quality innings under pressure
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Looks at Imrans away performances.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
ma1978 said:
there is zero case to say he’s better, maybe the same (although that’s arguable) but no case to say he’s better
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I gave you an argument. Jadeja has too small samples in most countries to make a meaningful comparison. Plus Imran has more tons in different countries, batted up the order frequently, has a literally Man of Series in India based on his batting.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
Sure but he succeeded plenty aside from that. And again, Jadejas sample size is too small to compare except in England. At least grant this point
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Imran has three centuries and ten 50s outside of Pakistan in 50 tests

Jadeja has one century and nine 50s outside of India in 27 tests

Even if sample size is smaller, the rate of performance is much higher
 
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