it’s the same group that struggles to call Steve Waugh or Shaun Pollock ATGs
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Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?
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it’s the same group that struggles to call Steve Waugh or Shaun Pollock ATGs
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
TBF, that is a lilttle bit more understandable although, now that I think about it, I do think Shaun Pollock more than deserves to be an ATG as a test cricketer overall.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It wasn't a thing when we were discussing Sehwag a while ago, with a similar freak out for the same reasons.
Sehwag makes it on subcontinental achievements alone. When you’re the best ever in half the cricket world nothing else matters
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yes they genuinely feel that. Victory in India matters most.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
We had a discussion the moment we shifted from Ashwin and started talking about ATGs standards in general.
But glad you belatedly have moderated your position. Kudos.
victory matters wherever it comes. I don’t differentiate
that’s why I rate Ponting so highly
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
But then 4 countries should matter more than one country?
Spark
Global Moderator
Ten minutes listening to SEN talkback radio earlier this summer would rapidly disabuse you of this notion. Warner being a hack HTB is actually a reasonably common view in Australia, though probably not a majority one.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
And we are back. It was fun while it lasted. 
Here is a question to the mods - Over the last 2 years, every single bloody damn time someone has had something complementary to say about Indian cricket, Ashwin, Jadeja or the current side, this guy has literally popped up in every thread arguing the same nonsense over and over again, even though it has been conclusively proven that his "logic" is always wrong and he only shifts goalposts. Yet, it is page after page of the same nonsense. And then he comes here to pontificate with a crony that "the other side" are too rigid in their position.
The point about Ashwin being an ATG was already answered very clearly very early in the thread. All salty has to do is post his opinion and move on, but no, we can't have that. It has to be page after page of the same biased insecure idiotic hatred full nonsense.
@subshakerz - simple advice to you. You have said what you feel. Move on and let others discuss the topic as its clear there is no rationality in your discussions on this topic. Is it really that difficult?
And FWIW, I never engaged with anyone who thinks only the top 3 spinners belong in their ATG llist, although I do think Ash has a pretty arguable case even then. The only engagement here was with two people who posted the same insecure idiocy coz they cant stomach the success and greatness of the player in question.
Here is a question to the mods - Over the last 2 years, every single bloody damn time someone has had something complementary to say about Indian cricket, Ashwin, Jadeja or the current side, this guy has literally popped up in every thread arguing the same nonsense over and over again, even though it has been conclusively proven that his "logic" is always wrong and he only shifts goalposts. Yet, it is page after page of the same nonsense. And then he comes here to pontificate with a crony that "the other side" are too rigid in their position.
The point about Ashwin being an ATG was already answered very clearly very early in the thread. All salty has to do is post his opinion and move on, but no, we can't have that. It has to be page after page of the same biased insecure idiotic hatred full nonsense.
@subshakerz - simple advice to you. You have said what you feel. Move on and let others discuss the topic as its clear there is no rationality in your discussions on this topic. Is it really that difficult?
And FWIW, I never engaged with anyone who thinks only the top 3 spinners belong in their ATG llist, although I do think Ash has a pretty arguable case even then. The only engagement here was with two people who posted the same insecure idiocy coz they cant stomach the success and greatness of the player in question.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I wouldnt call a 42 average in Australia fine. Its like calling Ponting in India fine because he had two decent tours towards the end, yet all here call him a failure.
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Not all pitches in the subcontinent, or all pitches in fast bowling friendly countries are the same. So in that case the evaluation by countries generally shouldn't matter as much because the conditions present when the player played should be taken into account. Pitches in the past in certain countries weren't as they are now and that should be remembered when it comes to saying X player did well in Y country.
when that country is your home country, yes because by definition, it’s where you play the most cricket
I consider Ponting anything but a failure and one of the greatest bats to ever play the game
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
What about Ponting in India?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I think this is where a lot of us have a fundamental difference with you.
Shri
Mr. Glass
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I object to you calling @kyear2 my crony and suggest we all relax and take it down a notch.And we are back. It was fun while it lasted.
Here is a question to the mods - Over the last 2 years, every single bloody damn time someone has had something complementary to say about Indian cricket, Ashwin, Jadeja or the current side, this guy has literally popped up in every thread arguing the same nonsense over and over again, even though it has been conclusively proven that his "logic" is always wrong and he only shifts goalposts. Yet, it is page after page of the same nonsense. And then he comes here to pontificate with a crony that "the other side" are too rigid in their position.
The point about Ashwin being an ATG was already answered very clearly very early in the thread. All salty has to do is post his opinion and move on, but no, we can't have that. It has to be page after page of the same biased insecure idiotic hatred full nonsense.
@subshakerz - simple advice to you. You have said what you feel. Move on and let others discuss the topic as its clear there is no rationality in your discussions on this topic. Is it really that difficult?
And FWIW, I never engaged with anyone who thinks only the top 3 spinners belong in their ATG llist, although I do think Ash has a pretty arguable case even then. The only engagement here was with two people who posted the same insecure idiocy coz they cant stomach the success and greatness of the player in question.
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm surprised he doesn't have any 5-fers.
Spark
Global Moderator
This is a Good Post.