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Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
subshakerz said:
Ponting was rated higher because he was more dominant. Simple as that. Dravid was averaging 50 even in the 90s before his peak, moreso than Ponting. You can't use the peak early argument here at all.

As for Laker, I'll be honest and say I am not sure if even he is an outright ATG tho better than Ashwin to me.

I usually have Warne, Murali, OReilly as clear ATGs but not so sure on Grimmet, Verity, Laker. Underwood I also rate quite highly but again not sure about ATG. Kumble, Ashwin, etc come later.
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That's alright. I know you don't necessarily rate Ash really high and that's fine. But on the Dravid one, so you also are saying Dravid scored plenty runs in a tougher era:naughty:
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
That's alright. I know you don't necessarily rate Ash really high and that's fine. But on the Dravid one, so you also are saying Dravid scored plenty runs in a tougher era:naughty:
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Sure but then so did Miandad. Dravids rep took a major hit when he failed in Australia in 99, basically reinforcing the opinion that India was Tendulkar the ATG bat and then the rest.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
subshakerz said:
Sure but then so did Miandad. Dravids rep took a major hit when he failed in Australia in 99, basically reinforcing the opinion that India was Tendulkar the ATG bat and then the rest.
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Miandad is also an ATG imo. He was Pakistan's leading batsman for close to 2 decades, as well as the 2nd best batsman of the 80s. And as I said, Ponting also has his own shortcomings in India; and lacks any truly ATG away series.
 
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subshakerz

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capt_Luffy said:
Miandad is also an ATG imo. He was Pakistan's leading batsman for close to 2 decades, as well as the 2nd best batsman of the 80s. And as I said, Ponting also has his own shortcomings in India; and lacks any truly ATG away series.
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India is pretty much the only hole in his record. But his rating is built on how dominant he was in his prime, that Viv affect.

I am a Miandad fan but he ain't an ATG. He was distinctly behind the Gavaskars, Viv's and Chappells of his age.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
But he sucked in Australia. Jimmy's bad performances in SA and Australia are even out by his great to good ones in Asia. And his sheer longevity pushes him an extra mile for me.
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My point was that SA and Australia both have favourable conditions for pacers, (for different reasons) and Anderson sucks in both, unlike others.

Not talking about any of the rest of his or anybody elses record.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
My point was that SA and Australia both have favourable conditions for pacers, (for different reasons) and Anderson sucks in both, unlike others.

Not talking about any of the rest of his or anybody elses record.
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Sorry to say, but a modern bowler averaging 26 odd and taking 3 WPM his entire career can't make be up for consideration as an ATG. Minimum standards.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
My point was that SA and Australia both have favourable conditions for pacers, (for different reasons) and Anderson sucks in both, unlike others.

Not talking about any of the rest of his or anybody elses record.
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That's fine. As I said, Jimmy has his shortcomings, plenty of those; but his longevity makes it up for me personally.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
subshakerz said:
India is pretty much the only hole in his record. But his rating is built on how dominant he was in his prime, that Viv affect.

I am a Minadad fan but he ain't an ATG. He was distinctly behind the Gavaskars, Viv's and Chappells of his age.
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And that's a pretty big hole. None of Dravid's is really comparable. I would also say he only is truly great away against SA, and there too he played some pretty mid attacks. Dravid has his shortcomings, Ponting his own. Aggression isn't a good enough reason for me to rank them in separate tiers. As for Miandad; all 3 of them played their best in the 70s, Miandad was a clear no 2 in the 80s behind only Border.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
And that's a pretty big hole. None of Dravid's is really comparable. I would also say he only is truly great away against SA, and there too he played some pretty mid attacks. Dravid has his shortcomings, Ponting his own. Aggression isn't a good enough reason for me to rank them in separate tiers. As for Miandad; all 3 of them played their best in the 70s, Miandad was a clear no 2 in the 80s behind only Border.
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Ponting averaged 26 in India, Dravid 29 in SA. Comparable.

Miandad wasnt rated that highly. Performance against WI keeps him from top status.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
2 tiers of ATGs

Tier 1: Tendulkar, Lara, Smith, Sobers, Viv

Tier 2: Gavaskar, Chappell, Kallis, Dravid, Williamson, Kohli, Ponting, Sangakkara, Waugh, etc
 
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TheJediBrah

TheJediBrah

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:huh:

Seems like cricket didn't exist before the 70s? But you have Sobers?

And you've got Gavaskar and Chappell but no Border

What's Bradman? tier 0?
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
ataraxia said:
No, of course we shouldn't. Being at test level for 10, 11 other years can only add to his pedigree and it's wrong to dismiss it as irrelevant.
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Sure but even if we agree he has been at ATG level for the last 10 years, his early career should degrade him to ATVG. Simple.
 
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