What are legitimate excuses to ignore bad parts of a players' record?

[subshakerz]

Playing with injuries (not broken toenails) is understood as a legitimate excuse. What else?

What about captaincy burdens ala Botham? Debuting very young? Playing very old?

 

[ma1978]

Statsguru vs actually seeing and contextualising performances

Warne in India bowled damn well, he just faced a couple GOAT level bats in those conditions who prepared like hell for him. It’s not damming.

same thing with Ashwin in Australia. Anyone who actually saw him in the last two series would know how much of a boss he was.

 

[Molehill]

When they opened the batting against McGrath on seam friendly pitches!!

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Cummins record last year in India definitely.

 

[ma1978]

Cummins record last year in India definitely.

it was two tests. It doesn’t matter in his overall assessment. If someone looks back at his career and says he didn’t perform in India, that’s just poor analysis leave asked the mitigating factors

 

[_00_deathscar]

None
They should be absolutely perfect or can’t be ATG

 

[_00_deathscar]

Statsguru vs actually seeing and contextualising performances

Warne in India bowled damn well, he just faced a couple GOAT level bats in those conditions who prepared like hell for him. It’s not damming.

same thing with Ashwin in Australia. Anyone who actually saw him in the last two series would know how much of a boss he was.

Didn’t he get smacked around Das and co as well? There were definitely some **** players in there that whacked him to kingdom come.
And I don’t mean Navjot Singh Siddhu who was a good player of spin

 

[Chin Music]

it was two tests. It doesn’t matter in his overall assessment. If someone looks back at his career and says he didn’t perform in India, that’s just poor analysis leave asked the mitigating factors

Yep, it is pretty dumb to evaluate a player as being bad in a certain location when you have limited data. If a player has rather mediocre data over an extended period then you can point to it more.

 

[Ali TT]

Being a fanboy

 

[mr_mister]

Atherton's career is one big greatest hits of stuff mentioned in this topic

Played 75% of his tests opening the batting against McWarne, Ambrose/Walsh, Pollock/Donald and Waqar/Wasim

Had some hectic back issues

Captaincy burden

 

[Daemon]

Ignoring the bad parts is entirely dependant on how much you like the player

 

[Victor Ian]

Morality

 

[Molehill]

Atherton's career is one big greatest hits of stuff mentioned in this topic

Played 75% of his tests opening the batting against McWarne, Ambrose/Walsh, Pollock/Donald and Waqar/Wasim

Had some hectic back issues

Captaincy burden

Atherton was who I was referring to, he was dealt a pretty shitty hand for the timing of his career.

 

[h_hurricane]

Very simple

Drove a bus over your puppy- Don't ignore bad part of the career.
Else- Ignore bad part of the career.

 

[Nintendo]

Broken toenails

 

[kyear2]

Atherton's career is one big greatest hits of stuff mentioned in this topic

Played 75% of his tests opening the batting against McWarne, Ambrose/Walsh, Pollock/Donald and Waqar/Wasim

Had some hectic back issues

Captaincy burden

Hard for anyone to survive the entire gauntlet he went through.

Had the roughest path to success of any player I can think of.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Atherton's career is one big greatest hits of stuff mentioned in this topic

Played 75% of his tests opening the batting against McWarne, Ambrose/Walsh, Pollock/Donald and Waqar/Wasim

Had some hectic back issues

Captaincy burden

Also had to survive the England selectors of the 1990s.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Playing 2 or 3 match test series like Williamson.

 

[Aidan11]

Bazball.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Very simple

Drove a bus over your puppy- Don't ignore bad part of the career.
Else- Ignore bad part of the career.

Hence Himannv always focusing on the negatives for Sangakkara.