Ashwin - The ATG Spinner

[subshakerz]

No one has raised it as anything other than a point to be considered when rating Ashwin. Subzi just cant handle the fact that Ash is an ATG test cricketer, bowler and spinner. Sucks to suck and sucks harder to be subzi.

Lol. I genuinely don't consider him as such.

 

[ma1978]

I think it’s been the case since the 2020/2021 BGS. Nothing new needed. You can have whatever opinion you want, it’s a minority opinion

 

[subshakerz]

I think it’s been the case since the 2020/2021 BGS. Nothing new needed. You can have whatever opinion you want, it’s a minority opinion

Minority according to whom?

CW's Top 30 Spinners: 2022 Results

Once again, I have summarised the lists by adding relevant stats to promote discussion. Here are the results: The List Tests Wickets Average S.R. E.R. W.P.M. 1. Muttiah Muralitharan 133 800 22.73 55.05 2.48 6.02 2. Shane Warne 145 708 25.42 57.49 2.65 4.89 3. Bill O'Reilly 27 144 22.60...

www.cricketweb.net

 

[ma1978]

Minority according to whom?

CW's Top 30 Spinners: 2022 Results

Once again, I have summarised the lists by adding relevant stats to promote discussion. Here are the results: The List Tests Wickets Average S.R. E.R. W.P.M. 1. Muttiah Muralitharan 133 800 22.73 55.05 2.48 6.02 2. Shane Warne 145 708 25.42 57.49 2.65 4.89 3. Bill O'Reilly 27 144 22.60...

www.cricketweb.net

most people who actually follow cricket

 

[subshakerz]

most people who actually follow cricket

And are patriotic?

 

[ma1978]

And are patriotic?

the economist

Cricket’s best bowler is considered superfluous by his country

India often leave Ravichandran Ashwin sitting in the pavilion

www.economist.com

Greg Chappell

Is Ashwin an all-time great? Chappell responds to Manjrekar's dig

Ashwin, 34 has taken 409 wickets in 78 Tests at an average of 24.69, including 30 five-wicket hauls in an innings and seven 10-wicket hauls in a Test.

thefederal.com

Tim Wigmore

How Ravichandran Ashwin became world's best spinner thanks to 'method, skill and madness'

To witness Ashwin in action now is to see the distillation of a lifetime’s learning - a bowler at the very apex of his craft

www.telegraph.co.uk

This is pretty much orthodoxy expect with you buddy

 

[Arachnodouche]

The asterisk is sadly very real. An ATG who gets passed over for balance reasons is no ATG at all *ducks under chappals like Dubya*

 

[ma1978]

The asterisk is sadly very real. An ATG who gets passed over for balance reasons is no ATG at all *ducks under chappals like Dubya*

India wouldn’t have played Murali or Warne in those same situations

there’s no asterisk unless you think no spinner is an ATG

 

[subshakerz]

the economist

Cricket’s best bowler is considered superfluous by his country

India often leave Ravichandran Ashwin sitting in the pavilion

www.economist.com

Greg Chappell

Is Ashwin an all-time great? Chappell responds to Manjrekar's dig

Ashwin, 34 has taken 409 wickets in 78 Tests at an average of 24.69, including 30 five-wicket hauls in an innings and seven 10-wicket hauls in a Test.

thefederal.com

Tim Wigmore

How Ravichandran Ashwin became world's best spinner thanks to 'method, skill and madness'

To witness Ashwin in action now is to see the distillation of a lifetime’s learning - a bowler at the very apex of his craft

www.telegraph.co.uk

This is pretty much orthodoxy expect with you buddy

So you selected some articles praising Ashwin as evidence of a consensus that he has been considered an all-time great by the cricketing fraternity?

 

[ma1978]

So you selected some articles praising Ashwin as evidence of a consensus that he has been considered an all-time great by the cricketing fraternity?

generally a good place to start is where top journalists (of which Greg Chappell is one) think

 

[subshakerz]

India wouldn’t have played Murali or Warne in those same situations

Nonsense. They would drop Murali/Warne in England?

 

[ma1978]

Nonsense. They would drop Murali/Warne in England?

for the batting depth and four pacers, yes

 

[subshakerz]

generally a good place to start is where top journalists (of which Greg Chappell is one) think

You mean Ian Chappell. I wouldn't think Indian fans would be highlighting Greg Chappells cricketing judgment.

 

[subshakerz]

for the batting depth and four pacers, yes

Just to clarify, are you serious or joking? Honest question.

 

[Arachnodouche]

India wouldn’t have played Murali or Warne in those same situations

there’s no asterisk unless you think no spinner is an ATG

eh, haven't we routinely chosen Jadeja over Ashwin abroad? Granted, Jadeja's no slouch with the ball himself and adds more overall value, but as an ATG you're supposed to be undeniable. It's only because Ashwin hasn't demonstrated the same prowess abroad that mgmt even dares to overlook him in the name of balance. You think they would pick the likes of Thakur over Ashwin if the latter had proven he could deliver consistently in all conditions? No way, they'd pick both Jadeja and Ashwin regardless and be content with the three seamers, as most efficient teams have been through time.

 

[ma1978]

You mean Ian Chappell. I wouldn't think Indian fans would be highlighting Greg Chappells cricketing judgment.

Gregs a serious journalist. One of the best. And what does the fact that I support Indiaor that he was a ooor coach have anything to do with it.

 

[subshakerz]

Gregs a serious journalist. One of the best. And what does the fact that I support Indiaor that he was a ooor coach have anything to do with it.

Dude the article you cited is referring to Ian Chappell, not Greg.

 

[subshakerz]

eh, haven't we routinely chosen Jadeja over Ashwin abroad? Granted, Jadeja's no slouch with the ball himself and adds more overall value, but as an ATG you're supposed to be undeniable. It's only because Ashwin hasn't demonstrated the same prowess abroad that mgmt even dares to overlook him in the name of balance. You think they would pick the likes of Thakur over Ashwin if the latter had proven he could deliver consistently in all conditions? No way, they'd pick both Jadeja and Ashwin regardless and be content with the three seamers, as most efficient teams have been through time.

Forget that, this guy is seriously suggesting India would drop Murali and Warne in England the same way they dropped Ashwin.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Forget that, this guy is seriously suggesting India would drop Murali and Warne in England the same way they dropped Ashwin.

Well, Sri Lanka and Australia didn't have the luxury of another almost equally-good spinner, with two other genuine skills to boot, to even contemplate such a drastic move. But yeah, can't fathom anyone dropping Murali, Warne, or even Kumble for that matter.

 

[ma1978]

Well, Sri Lanka and Australia didn't have the luxury of another almost equally-good spinner, with two other genuine skills to boot, to even contemplate such a drastic move. But yeah, can't fathom anyone dropping Murali, Warne, or even Kumble for that matter.

no comparison between Ashwin and Kumble

btw, I thought dropping Ashwin was mad and my point is a team mad enough to drop Ashwin is equally mad to drop Murali or Warne.