*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[honestbharani]

Isn't this literally what Subshakerz loves to post about in comparisons and ratings?

Very big difference between team and individuals though.

 

[honestbharani]

top teams struggle when they come to England.

TIL drawing a series 2-2 is struggling as much as getting your As handed to you 4-1 or 4-0.

 

[honestbharani]

The subcontinent matters just like any part of the world

Careful. You will give existential crisis to certain SENA posters.

 

[Socerer 01]

That's just one series in each country though.

When did India last win a series in England - 2007. When did Australia last win a series in England- 2001.

My point is that yes England struggle in India but top teams struggle when they come to England.

when did England last win a series at their home against India or Australia in an era of unprecedented away team struggles? - 2018, 5 years ago

meanwhile they get pasted every time they tour either of those countries

this is serious Baz levels of cope

 

[Socerer 01]

It's just the same boring stereotype used against every successful Asian spinner ..

Notoriously turning track at Sydney ?
India scored 600+ declared in that game.
India would have won had it not been for the rain delays, bowling Australia out for around 300 and asking them to follow on,
That was an incredible bowling performance from Kuldeep Yadav.

The pitches were very good for batting in this series , Jaiswal slammed 700 runs and he's a rookie opener .. every debutant bar Patidar cashed in.
England were extremely confident of their chances before Kuldeep turned up and outbowled every English bowler comprehensively.

When Matt Henry dishes out great performances in NZ no Kiwi fan points out that he averages 40 + away from home even in traditionally seamer friendly countries, instead they say he's world class so why move the goalposts for Kuldeep?
The subcontinent matters just like any part of the world

haha yeah i’ll be the first to admit that Kuldeep has a fairly sheltered record compared to his other spin brethren but reducing him to a dustbowl bunny when he has a 5fer in Sydney and strong performances in non spinny tracks in India takes some serious mental gymnastics but its not surprising since half of cricketweb thinks all pitches in India behave the same and every pitch is a huge dustbowl

 

[Kirkut]

Aand I rest my case!

Lots of hype around bazball but I knew that this England side does not hold a candle to Strauss' team.

Looking at how we batted against Hartley and Bashir, our batters should be thankful that they weren't facing Swann and Panesar.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

haha yeah i’ll be the first to admit that Kuldeep has a fairly sheltered record compared to his other spin brethren but reducing him to a dustbowl bunny when he has a 5fer in Sydney and strong performances in non spinny tracks in India takes some serious mental gymnastics but its not surprising since half of cricketweb thinks all pitches in India behave the same and every pitch is a huge dustbowl

 

[OverratedSanity]

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Lmao what a hack. Love how badly this aged after the first test which was the only real dustbowl.

 

[a massive zebra]

Any news on Harry Brook?

His grandma died.

Pauline BROOK Pauline

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Ilkley Rugby Club mourns the passing of Pauline Brook.

Pauline Brook1946-2024Pauline became part of the fabric of ILKLEY Rugby Club, following her beloved husband Tony as he pursued an illustrious playing career with the club which started in the early sixties and ran through several decades either as a player or latterly as a Life Member...

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[wpdavid]

Lmao what a hack. Love how badly this aged after the first test which was the only real dustbowl.

It's not the cleverest quote. Maybe he'd been coached in media duties by Duckett and Robinson. But at least Hartley came out of the tour with credit, even allowing for diminished returns after the test. His final haul of 22 wickets being the 3rd highest by an English spinner in India in the last 60 years (Underwood in 1976/77 and Titmus in the early 1960s, since you ask), and I doubt whether anyone took more in the 1950s or earlier.

 

[Pothas]

Aand I rest my case!

Lots of hype around bazball but I knew that this England side does not hold a candle to Strauss' team.

Looking at how we batted against Hartley and Bashir, our batters should be thankful that they weren't facing Swann and Panesar.

I don't think anyone has really disputed that have they? That side had much better players which doesn't really have anything to do with bazball.

 

[Daemon]

It's not the cleverest quote. Maybe he'd been coached in media duties by Duckett and Robinson. But at least Hartley came out of the tour with credit, even allowing for diminished returns after the test. His final haul of 22 wickets being the 3rd highest by an English spinner in India in the last 60 years (Underwood in 1976/77 and Titmus in the early 1960s, since you ask), and I doubt whether anyone took more in the 1950s or earlier.

Hartley was amazing given his record. Bashir as well. They overachieved quite a bit imo.

 

[honestbharani]

On the one hand, I do think Engand were closer to India than the final scoreline indicates and if some key moments played out differently, they may well have been 2-3 or even 3-2. But by the same token, they were playing perhaps the weakest Indian 11 we have fielded in home tests since the early noughties and we were equally just a catch away from 5-0 inspite of that.

I think its hard to make out the effect or impact of Bazball as a whole, but having watched most of these England games, my feeling is overall, they are doing better than they would playing traditional cricket. They just need to be more pragmatic instead of buying their own hype too much.

 

[Owzat]

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and maybe if he thought about flight or guile he'd have taken more wickets and conceded less runs....

 

[Owzat]

I rate Pope even lower now than I did pre series tbh. I guess playing one all timer of an innings and nothing else is better than getting a bunch of 30s and 40s, but man he looked absolutely shocking after that first test. The level to which he pre-meditates his shots against spinners is laughable. They showed a side on angle of his batting against Kuldeep and Ashwin and he's winding up his saunter down the track when the ball isn't even close to being out of the bowler's hand. He doesn't need to be doing that at all because they bowl slow enough where you can use your feet against them effectively without showing your hand if you time it right. The shot he got out to Ashwin today was atrocious too. I have no idea how a test batsman can think it's a good idea to sweep that ball unless you've made your mind up after the previous ball that you're going to sweep it no matter what.

take the HS of each and every 1-7 for England and only Crawley comes out with more than 22 average..... (low to mid 30s for Crawley)

point is the batting was in the main poor, three centurions who showed no consistency and Pope scored something like 119 runs outside of his 196 which itself was thanks to a drop around 104 (?) which likely would have seen England 0-5 had it been taken

Crawley needed to convert some of his fifties (4/10) to hundreds, HS of 79 having got to fifty four times is pretty feeble and let the side down.

Bairstow was the lowest HS (39) of the 1-7 but point of taking away the HS is to highlight in the majority of their innings, 9-10, the majority (6) of 1-7 were scoring under 45 runs a Test and that is poor, can excuse Foakes to a degree but a keeper supposedly able to bat, and in these kind of conditions, you might expect a bit more

either way the keeper debate was, as ever, futile, when the batting can't post more than 250 or thereabouts an innings majority of the time, 1st innings not good enough and only once scoring 550+ runs in a Test and how many matches on reasonable batting tracks do you expect to win with that few runs in the bank?


BUT anyone knows much will know England don't fare too well in India, thinking "bazballs" would change all that was somewhere between naive and insane (or just plain stupid)...., is that two tour wins in the past 40 years?

For England probably Bashir and Hartley can come away with some credit, a few may cry "much credit", "much credit", but look at their averages (33-36) compared to Indian counterparts who bowled much (20-24) and you should be able to see they took wickets on pitches suited for spinners and fared ok

sure they aren't as experienced, but the point is you can't overdo credit for bowlers who didn't do better than probably par or below

Combined XI? probably might include 1-2 English players as a default that not all Indians could have a good series although I might simply go with all Indians because they merited it more

 

[Third_Man]

Surely they will arrange a loan for him to another county, there are plenty to choose from and I'm assuming he is at least in the top 5 spinners in the country including overseas ones.

Doubt it. Too close to the first team.
Space for him might open up to play is Salt replaces Conway at the IPL. Lancs have other options for a keeper.

 

[mackembhoy]

Alex Lees and Ben Duckett from wish.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766511962656067987

 

[Daemon]

Looks an upgrade on the actual duckett

 

[Owzat]

Looks an upgrade on the actual duckett

has probably spent little more time sat down!

 

[Arachnodouche]

Should have a broom alongside to complete the effect.