Jacques Kallis vs Kumar Sangakkara ( as Test batsmen )

[Coronis]

I can remember Sanga ever costing SL games based on him staying in the crease like Kallis. Kallis was often more of a deadweight than an anchor.

I’ve seen this posted multiple times as if its gospel and yet have never seen an example of this actually occurring.

 

[Coronis]

But when posters say 'wow look at Kallis' record in SA' they are pretending as if he was facing SA level attacks or something who he is averaging 56 against. It's an impressive record but not as much as being hyped here.

No they aren’t?

 

[kyear2]

Never thought he was as good as Tendulkar or Lara even at his peak when everyone was making the case tbh.

Fair.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Are you basing this on ratings or on watching them?

Ponting was a monster before his decline and somewhat of a a modern day Viv. The dominating bat at no. 3 for the all conquering team.
He really did take attacks apart and there were times he was more dominant than both.

Doesn't matter if he isn't good against spin or swing and can only bash on flat decks and bouncy pitches. I have heard of a time when there were people comparing Ajit Agarkar to Sachin Tendulkar; so no, I value peer ratings but not once before career completion.

 

[subshakerz]

Doesn't matter if he isn't good against spin or swing and can only bash on flat decks and bouncy pitches. I have heard of a time when there were people comparing Ajit Agarkar to Sachin Tendulkar; so no, I value peer ratings but not once before career completion.

There was a definite perception around 2006 that Ponting had entered the Lara/Tendulkar conversation.

 

[capt_Luffy]

There was a definite perception around 2006 that Ponting had entered the Lara/Tendulkar conversation.

And I don't think I have to prove now that that perception was wrong....

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Thank god Ponting had that decline. It would have been a travesty if he was rated in the same class as Tendulkar.

 

[honestbharani]

There was a definite perception around 2006 that Ponting had entered the Lara/Tendulkar conversation.

Not by anyone who actually knew and watched cricket.

 

[subshakerz]

No they aren’t?

We literally saw that earlier in this thread.

I’ve seen this posted multiple times as if its gospel and yet have never seen an example of this actually occurring.

Sydney 2006.

 

[subshakerz]

Not by anyone who actually knew and watched cricket.

Lol if Ponting did retire averaging 59/60, majority of this board would rate him ahead of Tendulkar. He would have been a lock for most in the top five/sid after Bradman.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Lol if Ponting did retire averaging 59/60, majority of this board would rate him ahead of Tendulkar.

I don’t think so tbh. Surely no one is that stupid.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Lol if Ponting did retire averaging 59/60, majority of this board would rate him ahead of Tendulkar.

Sangakkara retired with an average of 57.4; I don't think their are many who rate him higher than Sachin.

 

[subshakerz]

Sangakkara retired with an average of 57.4; I don't think their are many who rate him higher than Sachin.

If Sanga averaged 60, then people would.

Is your position that Ponting's time of retirement wouldn't change his rating at all? It's painfully.obvious his rating went down based on the less productive five career end years.

 

[subshakerz]

I don’t think so tbh. Surely no one is that stupid.

Many posters who didn't watch them would come to that conclusion.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If Sanga averaged 60, then people would.

Is your position that Ponting's time of retirement wouldn't change his rating at all? It's painfully.obvious his rating went down based on the less productive five career end years.

5 years isn't just, am I right? It's idiotic to overlook that. Also, he averaged 60 or not, my main criticisms of him would had still persisted.

 

[subshakerz]

5 years isn't just, am I right? It's idiotic to overlook that. Also, he averaged 60 or not, my main criticisms of him would had still persisted.

Ok but you would have rated him higher, no?

 

[Coronis]

We literally saw that earlier in this thread.

No we didn’t?

Sydney 2006

Did you even watch that match?

 

[Cricket Bliss]

On pure record, neither has a big enough advantage over the other.

Sanga weaker in SA and India, Kallis weaker in Eng and SL. Both gouged on minnows. Both benefitted from the flat pitch era. Both fairly strong against pace and spin. Kallis' home record is very impressive, whereas Sanga has many more double tons.

Sanga was a much more aggressive and intimidating bat, and that is the key advantage.

Kallis extremely impressive in sub continent wickets except Sri Lanka, for SENA batsmen that is definitely a testament for their calibre… saying gouged on minnows is definitely no were near truth

 

[Himannv]

Haven't we done this terrible comparison a 100 times over? They're both terrible but Kallis is less terrible than Sangakkara by a tiny margin.

If you're going to open threads in this terrible subbie, why not open some less terrible ones that we haven't thought about. Like Junior Murray vs Sherwin Campbell or something that people can learn something from.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Instinctively think Sanga is the better batsman but Kallis' statistical record is significantly more impressive to me so I voted for him. Sanga was amazing but his record is inflated by more minnow bashing than any other modern great.

I was a bit disappointed by his record against SENA teams. He has even less hundreds against Aus, Eng, and SA than KW.