capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
ATG is a lethal weapon, but only having one weapon isn't always going to work. Penetrative power is good, but you need others to keep things tight.
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Richards, Smith, Lara, Hammond
- Thread starter kyear2
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If this is an accurate career-length study, it would seem that the low thirties figure for Smith must have referred to a shorter timeframe - maybe a single series or season.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
And averaged in the the hundreds against them.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Good bowlers aren't going to win you games against the top guys or on difficult tours.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
No, but good bowlers are going to win you series more often than a single ATG one....
Coronis
International Coach
Boult Southee and Wagner bowled in 78 innings together, NZ took 711 wickets @ 28.50 and won 24 matches.
Hadlee bowled in 156 innings, New Zealand took 1255 wickets @ 32.04 and won 22 matches.
Draw your own conclusions.
kyear2
International Coach
No such thing. I think all 3 of them should be included in the top tier, but there's normally objection against Viv, Lara and Smith separately for different reasons from different posters.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I dont think so actually. Three Vaas' arent winning me more than one Murali.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Refer Coronis' post above..... Vaas, Herath and someone like Shami and Umesh is indeed better than Murali with Vishwa Fernando, Asoka De Silva and Kumar Dharmasena
kyear2
International Coach
kyear2
International Coach
So many variables in there. Strength of teams / quality of opposition (minnows etc). NZ played in an especially competitive era, one that doesn't exist today.
Coronis
International Coach
Today’s era of test cricket is not competitive?
I’d say the past decade has been far more competitive than the 80’s.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Not really true here. Neil Wagner, for once had played a grand total of 6 games against SL, WI, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe combined. I highly doubt that both Boult and Southee played in any of those 6 games, as per the stats. There are probably more weaker teams now than then, but any strong team hardly jumps at them with all of their strength.
Slifer
International Captain
The only time Smith toured the WI he faced Taylor, Bishoo, Holder and Gabriel. He averaged 141 and Voges 167. Maybe if he toured WI now, yeah the attack is decent but that's left to be seen. He's either faced garbage wi away or at home (this series excepted).
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Well yeah then, he has bashed the hell out of WI. Despite that, I would say his last innings against them is a genuinely Great innings.
kyear2
International Coach
I wouldn't go that far tbh
Coronis
International Coach
Of course you wouldn’t
kyear2
International Coach
You do know I've said I basically rank all 3 of them equally.
I'm talking about 1 innings against a weak team, that's all I meant.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Given the match situation and the way Shamar Joseph bowled, I personally definitely think it was a great innings from a great game.
kyear2
International Coach
I guess I'm looking at it differently. The best batsman of our generation vs a weak inexperienced team of debutants in a chase that well all believed would be a cake walk